***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Me getting a haircut in a barbershop with less than 10 people (following reasonable social distancing measures) is the same as rioting with hundreds with some masks? Who in this thread said anything about gathering in large groups? Our desires were all pretty ****ing reasonable and you’re trying to compare it to this shit?

JFC you couldn’t be any more obvious in your bias. All of you.

Bro hes right, those protesters just don't care about human life and want grandma and grandpa to die.

I mean AT LEAST THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD...........

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Me getting a haircut in a barbershop with less than 10 people (following reasonable social distancing measures) is the same as rioting with hundreds with some masks? Who in this thread said anything about gathering in large groups? Our desires were all pretty ****ing reasonable and you’re trying to compare it to this shit?

JFC you couldn’t be any more obvious in your bias. All of you.

I was referring to the protests about haircuts...good to spin it though.

[RunKC]

Hard to not make this political when celebs are screaming in my tv, iPad, radio etc with ads telling me to stay home one week and then saying they’ll pay my lawyer fee to go riot among several thousands of people crammed into one narrow streets.

This bullshit is over dude. Open this goddamn country back up with special protections for the most vulnerable.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ahhh ok that makes sense,

So all these protesters and people rioting just want to kill grandma and grandpa.

Gotcha
lol

Pretty sure that is not what I said , but since you are a moron I will let it go.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I was referring to the protests about haircuts...good to spin it though.

Right,

These people protesting clearly do not care about human life, they don't care if elderly people die at all. They are selfish and wrong to do what they are doing.

OR AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Right,

These people protesting clearly do not care about human life, they don't care if elderly people die at all. They are selfish and wrong to do what they are doing.

OR AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD

Yea pretty good chance lots of them will end up with covid and kill people, so there's that.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

From a public health stance any mass gathering right now is not smart, from a common sense stance there can be a difference in the reasoning behind them.

protest injustice vs pool party , doesn't mean you have an agenda.

Regardless. People have been shamed nationwide for not complying. Nobody is being shamed now. It's not being talked about by msm at all and, while protesting that blatant miscarriage of justice would be noble IN ANY OTHER TIME, we're amid a pandemic. We either social distance or we don't. I'm an atheist, but my family is Catholic, Lutheran, or Christian and they can't attend church, but Walmart, the dope shops, abortion clinics, and now protesting is fair game.

My RFAs have been put on hold for 3 months. I'm in severe neurological pain but was told I didn't matter, but Suzy B Cumguzzler can muffle her indiscretion? GTFO

[BleedingRed]

Yall worked yourselves into a corner with those previous comments about going outside without a mask or to protests of the lock down. About how people like that, clearly don't care about others and are selfish. And how those people clearly will become a danger to grandma and grandpa.

Now eat crow, admit your hypocritical and we can move on......

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by Spott

Take the new job and just go ahead and tell them now. A week’s notice is better than none. I think most of the businesses that indefinitely furloughed their employees are expecting many of them to find jobs elsewhere in the interim.

Pay your bills, man. Do what YOU need to do. They'll keep you on ice until convenient for THEM. Oops, quoted wrong guy

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

Regardless. People have been shamed nationwide for not complying. Nobody is being shamed now. It's not being talked about by msm at all and, while protesting that blatant miscarriage of justice would be noble IN ANY OTHER TIME, we're amid a pandemic. We either social distance or we don't. I'm an atheist, but my family is Catholic, Lutheran, or Christian and they can't attend church, but Walmart, the dope shops, abortion clinics, and now protesting is fair game.

My RFAs have been put on hold for 3 months. I'm in severe neurological pain but was told I didn't matter, but Suzy B Cumguzzler can muffle her indiscretion? GTFO

You do know that argument is basically because people want to be stupid I should be allowed to do it too, right?

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You do know that argument is basically because people want to be stupid I should be allowed to do it too, right?

No, it's not. It was pointing out the idiocy of these lockdowns.

Edit- inconsistency and biased*

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Uh you know we aren't supposed to be talking about that shit in here right?

But look if you want to be real about it, what they're doing will almost assuredly lead to a massive spike in numbers. No one that brought up ever said that it wouldn't. The absolute spin here that "oh look you all don't care about covid now" is a ****ing 3rd grade argument.

Hamas said that protesting a dude getting killed by a cop is a better cause than people getting haircuts, unless you are completely dense that's a reasonable thing to say. But at the same time both of those things will cause numbers to increase in this climate.

I don't think that means you are supporting one over the other, they have the same effect an increase in numbers of the virus.

Rioting, destroying property and injuring people is better than chilling by a pool. Sweet take.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

No, it's not. It was pointing out the idiocy of these lockdowns.

Edit- inconsistency and biased*

Do you think that the mitigation efforts have lead to fewer infections and deaths than if we hadn't?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

Regardless. People have been shamed nationwide for not complying. Nobody is being shamed now. It's not being talked about by msm at all and, while protesting that blatant miscarriage of justice would be noble IN ANY OTHER TIME, we're amid a pandemic. We either social distance or we don't. I'm an atheist, but my family is Catholic, Lutheran, or Christian and they can't attend church, but Walmart, the dope shops, abortion clinics, and now protesting is fair game.

My RFAs have been put on hold for 3 months. I'm in severe neurological pain but was told I didn't matter, but Suzy B Cumguzzler can muffle her indiscretion? GTFO

To be honest I don't watch the news much (didn't even know what the riots were about at first), and I haven't seen any of that shaming stuff up here .

Going to be hard to answer part of your question without getting to political. You will never find a perfect answers to very complicated situations such as these , you can poke a hole into pretty much any decisions ever made but it usually doesn't change anything .

Do you think using those terms to describe people make you a better person?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Do you think that the mitigation efforts have lead to fewer infections and deaths than if we hadn't?

No,

But it's just a guess honestly. The lockdown in my estimation was a wasted effort considering some of the serology studies coming back.

Many more people were infected than we even knew about. So while I don't think it was effective, it not because it COULDN'T have been. But more along the lines is it was implemented months to late in my own estimation.

That being said, we will be able to compare and contrast soon enough.