*** Official 2018-2019 Royals Offseason Repository ***

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He will throw games by playing bible study guys!


(Fan stupidity. Hitting an all time low)

Dude you got your ass kicked on this by Cards fans and then hid from this thread for a while. Probably best to let this one go.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Dude you got your ass kicked on this by Cards fans and then hid from this thread for a while. Probably best to let this one go.

Hey fuckface - show me exactly where I got "my ass kicked by Cards fans".


I just went thru this whole thread and didn't see jack shit. Put up or shut the f---up.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Hey ****face - show me exactly where I got "my ass kicked by Cards fans".


I just went thru this whole thread and didn't see jack shit. Put up or shut the f---up.

Dude, you can't say my "stupidity is at an all time low" by "voicing rumors that have never been proven", while multiple Cardinal fans have come in and talked about how the Bible Studies were confirmed by multiple beat writers.

I've let this kind of thing slide before. You repeatedly called me a dumb**** for predicting that James Shields would slip to "Guthrie like production" before 2016 and I never really took you to task about it.

Own up like you demanded Duncan do about Kennedy or let it go, man.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Dude, you can't say my "stupidity is at an all time low" by "voicing rumors that have never been proven", while multiple Cardinal fans have come in and talked about how the Bible Studies were confirmed by multiple beat writers.

Who? Who are these beat writers? I'm asking you (or whoever makes the claim) to show me. PD beat writer Derrick Goold specifically states the exact opposite:

If there's peer pressure, it's not readily apparent. If there's favoritism, it's not readily apparent, or it's a perception that doesn't last. If there's an insistence on between "goody-two shoes" ... well, that's just there's not. There's just not.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/is-a...497a72ed3.html

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Hey ****face - show me exactly where I got "my ass kicked by Cards fans".


I just went thru this whole thread and didn't see jack shit. Put up or shut the f---up.

Go read the last three pages... it is very clear he played favorites. He held bible studies and those were his guys. Metheny is a bad manager and should be no where near a rebuilding team.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Go read the last three pages... it is very clear he played favorites. He held bible studies and those were his guys. Metheny is a bad manager and should be no where near a rebuilding team.

Proof. Show me proof. I don't care what the bfibs said. Show me something tangible. Or admit it just doesn't exist.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Proof. Show me proof. I don't care what the bfibs said. Show me something tangible. Or admit it just doesn't exist.

Googled "mike matheny bible study" and clicked on the first link. It's an interview between Darrin Patrick, former Cardinals Chaplain, and Mike Matheny...

DP | I'll never forget, it was the National League Championship Series in 2013. It was before the game, we're doing our prayer time, like we did before every home playoff game, and I walked in and saw you playing and worshiping.

MM | It might have been the last game against Los Angeles. And you came in and were blown away. You actually took a picture and said, “I want to show my wife what you do to prepare for a game!” I do a lot of praise and worship. And it helps the time go by on the road, but I don't do it a lot at home. But that was special how that group got together before every game. And it started out as a few guys, and ended up with 20-plus guys in this room. We just stopped and gave God a little bit of our time. Let's slow down and realize how cool it is that we are where we are right now and not praying necessarily, “Let's win.” We just prayed that we would go out and do things the way we're supposed to do it.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/a...ood-and-faith/

[Prison Bitch]

Quick Hits: BenFred on STL sports
Aug 21, 2018

Rounding up the hot topics from columnist Ben Frederickson's weekly chat with fans of St. Louis sports.


COMMENTS: I got a sense that Mike Matheny started buying into this whole "leader of men" thing and viewing himself as that instead of just focusing on doing what a big league manager should do: Play the best players. ... He always went out of his way to say he's a Christian. If that's what he believes, fine, but leave it at home. Don't let it intrude on your decisions in the clubhouse. ... Several things are contributing to the Cardinals playing better. The managerial change is one. Matheny would have fought all these call-ups from Memphis, in my opinion. Plus, he lost Yadier Molina, who is the team leader.

BENFRED: If you are going to make the statement that Matheny made decisions based off of his religious views, then you and others in this chat need a lot more than a "sense" of it. That's how this works. Your "sense" of something doesn't make it so. And that's a heavy claim to pin on someone without any real evidence.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Quick Hits: BenFred on STL sports
Aug 21, 2018

Rounding up the hot topics from columnist Ben Frederickson's weekly chat with fans of St. Louis sports.


COMMENTS: I got a sense that Mike Matheny started buying into this whole "leader of men" thing and viewing himself as that instead of just focusing on doing what a big league manager should do: Play the best players. ... He always went out of his way to say he's a Christian. If that's what he believes, fine, but leave it at home. Don't let it intrude on your decisions in the clubhouse. ... Several things are contributing to the Cardinals playing better. The managerial change is one. Matheny would have fought all these call-ups from Memphis, in my opinion. Plus, he lost Yadier Molina, who is the team leader.

BENFRED: If you are going to make the statement that Matheny made decisions based off of his religious views, then you and others in this chat need a lot more than a "sense" of it. That's how this works. Your "sense" of something doesn't make it so. And that's a heavy claim to pin on someone without any real evidence.

So he can't confirm?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Dude you got your ass kicked on this by Cards fans and then hid from this thread for a while. Probably best to let this one go.

You owe me a retraction for this ^

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You owe me a retraction for this ^

Sure. Apologize for calling me a "dumb***", "dumb****" and personally attacking me for months after I predicted James Shields was going to have a Guthrie like regression and you have a deal.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Sure. Apologize for calling me a "dumb***", "dumb****"

No. It was in response to you lying about me, unprovoked.

and personally attacking me for months after I predicted James Shields was going to have a Guthrie like regression and you have a deal.

Sure. Post the link, and if I made an incorrect analysis of course I'll own it. Who wouldn't?

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

No. It was in response to you lying about me, unprovoked.




Sure. Post the link, and if I made an incorrect analysis of course I'll own it. Who wouldn't?

It wasn’t unprovoked. You said my fan stupidity hit an all time low.

If I have the time i’ll dig up the 2016 Repo and happily post examples. But will it matter if I do? In the last page of this thread, you’ve ignored the dozens of articles that spoke to how Matheny lost the locker room and ignored the analysis of people who closely followed him for over five years.

I do apologize if what I said was upsetting. I do hold your analysis in high esteem. You’ve been dead on about a lot of your takes from the time you registered here. However, if me retracting is so important to you - all you have to do is apologize for attacking me personally in 2016. It’s that easy.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

No. It was in response to you lying about me, unprovoked.

Sure. Post the link, and if I made an incorrect analysis of course I'll own it. Who wouldn't?

I did a search over my lunch break. I couldn't find the back and forths I was thinking of in the gamethreads that I was thinking of - but here's the first exchange, with my first post coming earlier in the repo.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I've been wondering if the Royals might kick the tires on Shields for a while.

He could fill Jeremy Guthrie's role of eating 200+ innings while giving our bullpen some much needed relief.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

We'll see. A few of my ChiSox friends are going ape**** because it's rumored they'll be sending over one of their top two prospects in exchange. Sox might be going for WS or bust with this one but Shields likely won't cover the very real holes on that roster.

His numbers since 2015 have been much more Jeremy Guthrie than 13-14 Shields.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Uh.....Jeremy Guthrie??? Shields went 13-7 last year with a 3.91 ERA and 216k. Not sure I'd use Batting Practice Guthrie as the right comp.


He's had 1 terrible start this year. It happens. His first 10 starts he had a 3.05 ERA.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Jeremy Guthrie's 2014 FIP: 4.32
James Shields's 2015 FIP: 4.45

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

James Shields = Jeremy Guthrie

(Falls down laughing)

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You're embarrassing yourself.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Right. That comment is out of context from a conversation PB and I had two days ago. I argued that since 2015, Shields resembled more of an inning eater type like Guthrie did for the Royals from 2012-2014.

Shields stats since 2015: 4.44 FIP, 1.357 WHIP, and a 4.00 E.R.A.

He's been an innings eater who has provided relief for the bullpen, but at 34, his role might be a #4 type innings eater at this point.

PB, I like your analysis and think you're one of the best baseball minds on here. But your constant negativity is wearing me down. This team won back to back pennants and is off to strong start despite struggling with major injuries. If that opinion means I embarrassed myself, so be it.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Gawd it'd be nice to get Shields and banish Kennedy to the pen

I know that we've already cluttered up the thread enough. So here's the deal. I'll concede that your concerns about the 2016 season were in the right place, if you own up to repeatedly calling me out and going after me personally (i.e. "I'm embarrassing myself") over Shields.

I still believe that the preponderance of accounts from the STL Media, National Media, and from Cards fans demonstrate that we want nothing to do with Matheny in our locker room, but if you own up about Shields, I'll take back that you got your *** kicked. Deal?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I did a search over my lunch break. I couldn't find the back and forths I was thinking of in the gamethreads that I was thinking of - but here's the first exchange, with my first post coming earlier in the repo.

Is that What's Eating Gilbert Grape? My bad then. Yes Shields went to shit. I don't presume to know anything about pitching. I'd never sign any vet. They're all pricey and the odds they'll succeed are nil to me. Don't take pitching advice from me in the future.

I still believe that the preponderance of accounts from the STL Media, National Media, and from Cards fans demonstrate that we want nothing to do with Matheny in our locker room, but if you own up about Shields, I'll take back that you got your *** kicked. Deal?

I've stated a dozen times now: it's only about his RELIGIOUS BIAS that I dispute. Not his leadership skills. I'm not getting that across apparently. I'll have to try more - as Richard Nixon famously told his aides, "The 50th time I say something is the 1st time a voter hears it".