***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by mac459

Kids being depressed also isn’t just or only from shitty home environment. So to completely dismiss that is just as ignorant as thinking it’s also up to the school to fix that depression.

There is a middle area to that mental aspect, not a one way or other like you are painting it.

That doesn't serve the agenda, so no.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Fish

So.... address child abuse by sending them to school?

Vast majority of reporting on potential abuse comes from teachers

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Thats interesting info.

Yeah, it's one of the bigger misconceptions that people have had. It's discussed in this Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_e...imum_life_span

Life expectancy differs from maximum life span. Life expectancy is an average for all people in the population — including those who die shortly after birth, those who die in early adulthood (e.g. childbirth, war), and those who live unimpeded until old age. Maximum lifespan is an individual-specific concept — maximum lifespan is therefore an upper bound rather than an average. Science author Christopher Wanjek said "has the human race increased its life span? Not at all. This is one of the biggest misconceptions about old age." The maximum life span, or oldest age a human can live, may be constant. Further, there are many examples of people living significantly longer than the average life expectancy of their time period, such as Socrates, Saint Anthony, Michelangelo, and Benjamin Franklin.

Again, that's not to say that people aren't living longer - they definitely are. It's just that we have this perception that everyone walking around back in the age of the Romans was like 25 years old (since that's the average), but the reality is that most healthy adults lived until their 50s, and many lived well into their 70s or longer.

[O.city]

Ventilation is a big thing we’re missing imo. Air filtration inside and such. Seems like such an easy solution

[Donger]

I was thinking about herd immunity, and the numbers required to get there (in theory).

Would the figure to look at be the number of recovered cases? I wouldn't think it would be total cases.

And then, figure the x 10?

Plus natural immunity? I'm not sure how that would be estimated.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by TLO

There's so many people keeping track of the numbers you're probably going to get a number each place you look.

I keep an eye on the overall Missouri numbers but have very much stayed focused on our local numbers in particular. I know they're up to date at least.

Just looking at the % positive and how much it has raised in the past week or two tells you there is a big problem somewhere.

well the state had 2084 and the county health depts had 1712...

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

That’s nice and all but for school age children it’s not even close to a 1 in 500 risk. Scientifically we’ve seen very few outliers of school age children being affected by this virus. The vaccines NNH numbers would have to be identically non-existent like the threat of the virus in that age and the research would have to be proven over at least 5-10 years before making it mandatory for children to receive the vaccine. Any parent who would just sign there kids up for a vaccine in the next couple years is obviously not doing their own research on the matter.

1 in 500 risk of what? It's much less than that of dying for a kid, but of spreading it to other people - including kids or teachers who are immunocompromised is a different story.

-*Out of 597 campers & staff, 344 were tested and 76% of those tests were positive

-26% positives report no symptoms

-Bottom line from @CDCgov: Children of *all* ages are susceptible to #SARSCOV2 & "might play an important role in transmission"

Paper online soon & here (2/2) pic.twitter.com/MsV7HfSU1F

— Amy Maxmen (@amymaxmen) July 31, 2020

What happens if half the parents refuse to vaccinate? You run the risk of stuff like this everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ovid-outbreak/

According to the report released Friday, the outbreak at the camp identified only as “Camp A” suggests children “might play an important role in transmission.”

“These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 spread efficiently in a youth-centric overnight setting, resulting in high attack rates among people in all age groups, despite efforts by camp officials to implement most recommended strategies to prevent transmission,” the report said.

“Asymptomatic infection was common and potentially contributed to undetected transmission, as has been previously reported. This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

Of those who became infected, 231 were aged 17 or younger; the remaining 29 were adults.

[O.city]

That sucks

But also kinda points to the possibility of some kind of immunity.

[mr. tegu]

Parents are going to refuse to vaccinate and it’s not necessarily about being anti-vaxxer so everyone better just get used to it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

well the state had 2084 and the county health depts had 1712...

1,489 from the state today. Somewhat of an improvement?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Parents are going to refuse to vaccinate and it’s not necessarily about being anti-vaxxer so everyone better just get used to it.

Sure, but don't be surprised when they won't let unvaccinated kids into school, and a lot of countries won't let you in w/o vaccination papers.

I predict a lot of people throwing fits about that first one.

[BigCatDaddy]

I know Donger will do as commanded. Who else?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I know Donger will do as commanded. Who else?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

1 in 500 risk of what? It's much less than that of dying for a kid, but of spreading it to other people - including kids or teachers who are immunocompromised is a different story.

-*Out of 597 campers & staff, 344 were tested and 76% of those tests were positive

-26% positives report no symptoms

-Bottom line from @CDCgov: Children of *all* ages are susceptible to #SARSCOV2 & "might play an important role in transmission"

Paper online soon & here (2/2) pic.twitter.com/MsV7HfSU1F

— Amy Maxmen (@amymaxmen) July 31, 2020

What happens if half the parents refuse to vaccinate? You run the risk of stuff like this everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ovid-outbreak/

That example along with the SK study should give pause to school administrators and parents about going back to in person school.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Sure, but don't be surprised when they won't let unvaccinated kids into school, and a lot of countries won't let you in w/o vaccination papers.

I predict a lot of people throwing fits about that first one.

The children are primarily showing no symptoms whatsoever so it is therefore no danger to them. I understand your want to get every kid vaccinated and I realize that’s the only way you know how to make one mandatory because it’s the only way we’ve done it through history, but the facts are that many parents will and should have issues with using their children as any sort of guinea pigs to the virus when all of the scientific data collected points to them being unaffected by the virus.

It’s simple science. Make the vaccine mandatory for nursing home admittance or even more controversially to draw Medicare. Then when you have several years of research to prove that the NNH is somehow even smaller than the current minuscule risk in children you can have them start taking a vaccine if it is the only way to reach a herd immunity. You don’t just start with mandatory vaccinations in school because that’s the only way you know how it’s been done before. It just doesn’t make since with what we know about the virus.