Josh Allen “debating” whether to get COVID-19 vaccine

[kcbubb]

The NFL will not mandate COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, it stands to reason, even with incentives offered to teams and players who are vaccinated, some players aren’t going to get a shot.

Bills quarterback Josh Allen could be one of those. In an appearance on The Ringer’s “10 Questions With Kyle Brandt” podcast, Allen said he has not had a vaccine and might not get one.

“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it. Again, I’d lean the other way, too, if that’s what it said. I haven’t been paying attention to it as much as maybe I should have. I’ve just been doing my thing and masking up when I’m going out and just staying close and hanging around family.”

It is unclear what statistics Allen needs to see to convince him to get a shot. The Pfizer vaccine was shown a 95 percent efficacy rate in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, just 1 percentage point more than Moderna’s. The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was shown to have a 72 percent efficacy rate in the United States in preventing symptomatic illness and an 85 percent efficacy rate in preventing the most severe disease 28 days after vaccination.

Allen, 24, made clear he’s against any kind of mandate.

“I think everybody should have that choice to do it or not to do it,” Allen said. “You get in this tricky situation now where if you do mandate that that’s kind of going against what our constitution says and the freedom to kind of express yourself one way or the other. I think we’re in a time where that’s getting a lot harder to do. Everybody should have that choice.”

However, the league expects to amend certain protocols for those who are vaccinated and for teams as a whole if certain vaccination levels are met, which will encourage (pressure?) players to get a COVID-19 shot.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...id-19-vaccine/

[Rainbarrel]

Take it in the ass. So you will be less tempted to throw the syringe at the nurse's head.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Getting vaccinated doesn’t lower your chances of spreading it to others though..... Are you unaware of how this disease and it’s vaccine operates?

Wrong.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Huh? He's not wrong at all:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Over 167 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through April 5, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,794 reports of death (0.00167%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths.

yea right. Out of the hundreds of people which is still an extremely low number, that have died after taking the vaccine we are to believe none of them had anything to do with the vaccine.

Yet the same CDC counts a person dying from cancer in the hospital with covid as a covid death.

Common sense should tell you when you vaccinate well over 100 Million people someone is going to have an adverse reaction like several in the test groups did.

I'm not telling anyone to not get vaccinated, I got vaccinated, but making comments like "nobody has ever died from the vaccine" is a lie and you apparently are always fine with lies as long as they fit your narrative.

I mean like this lady who got sick and suddenly died after, I am sure the CDC is completely honest in their assessment of her cause for death.

The family of a 39-year-old Utah mother who died just four days after taking her second dose of the COVID vaccine believes her death may be directly connected to the vaccine. But medical experts are cautioning the public not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are collected.

Kassidi Kurill received her second dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine on Monday, Feb. 1. Over the next few days, she became sick, and her condition worsened. By Friday, Kurill was dead.

“I think it was definitely the shot because it was a constant progression from the shot to being ill to having organ shutdown,” Hawley said.

That is, Kurill started exhibiting some of the common side effects of the Moderna vaccine soon after getting her second and final booster shot — fever, headache, nausea, chills. The side effects lingered on then worsened, so three days later, Kurill went to the Davis Hospital and Medical Center emergency room in Layton. Doctors there determined she needed more specialized care and she was evacuated via helicopter to Intermountain Medical Center in Murray. She died the next day, Feb. 5.

“They said her liver had basically shut down,” Hawley said.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Why do you trust the fda more than who or the cdc or any other federal organization, they are not the good standard for safety , they regulate cigarettes , vaping artificial dyes/ flavour etc there are plenty of things you ingest daily worse for your health than this vaccine , they used ingredients and technology used in humans before .

The testing had more to do with efficacy than safety , the people who created it were most likely the first ones to take .

I can't say that you and I agree on many of the facets of this discussion but this is one where I absolutely do.

I don't understand the argument that it's not FDA-approved when it's coming from people who think the CDC and other government agencies are either deliberately or inadvertently spreading misinformation.

Maybe I'm looking at it simplistically but in my mind, you either trust the Federal government or you don't. So if I'm in a position where I don't trust the CDC, I'm not sure why I'd hang my hat on FDA approval because I don't trust them either.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

yea right. Out of the hundreds of people which is still an extremely low number, that have died after taking the vaccine we are to believe none of them had anything to do with the vaccine.

Yet the same CDC counts a person dying from cancer in the hospital with covid as a covid death.

Common sense should tell you when you vaccinate well over 100 Million people someone is going to have an adverse reaction like several in the test groups did.

I'm not telling anyone to not get vaccinated, I got vaccinated, but making comments like "nobody has ever died from the vaccine" is a lie and you apparently are always fine with lies as long as they fit your narrative.

I mean like this lady who got sick and suddenly died after, I am sure the CDC is completely honest in their assessment of her cause for death.

You need to prove that it's a lie. Can you do that?

And yes, people have had adverse reactions to the vaccine. That's to be expected, as with any vaccine. Just no confirmed deaths yet. Have people died after getting the vaccine? Yes. People die all the time.

[stevieray]

donger with the most posts in thread, too?

nooooooo waaaaaaaay

'tis fun watching him pretend he's the barometer of all things virus, etc.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

By rushed I meant tested, poor choice of word on my part. I'm sure it has been well researched and studied, but it hasn't been out long enough to know possible long-term side-effects, thus no official FDA approval. Wanting to wait longer until more long-term use research has been established as well as full FDA approval doesn't make someone a bad person or a "coward".

Full FDA approval is likely only 3-4 months away, maybe a little more. Nothing will have changed for the vaccine from now until then, and it will be approved.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I can't say that you and I agree on many of the facets of this discussion but this is one where I absolutely do.

I don't understand the argument that it's not FDA-approved when it's coming from people who think the CDC and other government agencies are either deliberately or inadvertently spreading misinformation.

Maybe I'm looking at it simplistically but in my mind, you either trust the Federal government or you don't. So if I'm in a position where I don't trust the CDC, I'm not sure why I'd hang my hat on FDA approval because I don't trust them either.

We should be celebrating that within 14 months from appearing in the world, totally ****ing up our normal lives, we developed the vaccine and got it into 175 million arms of Americans. This is a huge scientific achievement.

Some of those who took the shot will die. People die everyday. People have died waiting in line to get the vaccine. There is not one documented case of the Covid shots available in the USA causing a death.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We should be celebrating that within 14 months from appearing in the world, totally ****ing up our normal lives, we developed the vaccine and got it into 175 million arms of Americans. This is a huge scientific achievement.

Some of those who for the shot will die. People die everyday. People have died waiting in line to get the vaccine. Doesn't mean it was the Covid shot.

Not saying this directly to you but I find it ironic that many in this country can take a "people die every day" attitude about the vaccine after 12+ months of lamenting every, single, last, death by COVID (and some not even caused by COVID).

There seems to be a lot of convenience in opinions about this subject and very little conviction.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by stevieray

donger with the most posts in thread, too?

nooooooo waaaaaaaay

'tis fun watching him pretend he's the barometer of all things virus, etc.

Ask him out on a date, Liberace.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not saying this directly to you but I find it ironic that many in this country can take a "people die every day" attitude about the vaccine after 12+ months of lamenting every, single, last, death by COVID (and some not even caused by COVID).

There seems to be a lot of convenience in opinions about this subject and very little conviction.

People didn't just stop dying from other things because of the pandemic. That's the point, and it's a very obvious one. And there's nothing convenient about 570,000 excess American dead.

[mililo4cpa]

eh....if Josh Allen was just some guy off the street, nobody would care because we wouldn't even know. Just because he's fantastic at a sport doesn't mean he can't manage his own risk in the way that he feels prudent or right for him and the people he cares about.

So, if people are uncomfortable going out in public for fear of those that don't get vaccinated, that is the risk that person has to manage, not a risk that the unvaccinated have to make for that person. For instance, If they want to isolate and quarantine until 100% of the population is vaccinated, well, for one, they'll be waiting a long time, but for two, that's their prerogative to do so....But it's up to them to make their own risk / reward judgement on what's best for them....it's not Josh Allen's or really, anyone else's risk assessment to make.

So, if a person is uncomfortable with the risk/reward of resuming normal life functions over the fear of Covid....that's on them. But my guess is that, when the risk/reward is fully scrutinized, most people will take the risk because the reward is much greater than the risk will bear....

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by stevieray

donger with the most posts in thread, too?

nooooooo waaaaaaaay

'tis fun watching him pretend he's the barometer of all things virus, etc.

Donger has 2x as many posts as anyone else in this thread.

[Easy 6]

Our own military is not making the shot mandatory for soldiers, sailors, airman etc... is anyone else curious why that is?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not saying this directly to you but I find it ironic that many in this country can take a "people die every day" attitude about the vaccine after 12+ months of lamenting every, single, last, death by COVID (and some not even caused by COVID).

There seems to be a lot of convenience in opinions about this subject and very little conviction.

There's definitely some hypocrisy on the surface, but just like an Alex Smith debate, a lot of it is a product of people's first-grade level of comprehension and debate, so everyone gets pigeonholed into the two extremes with no gray area.

And no offense, but the hyperbole of "lamenting every, single, last, death" is part of that (I get it... we all talk about the same stuff forever and the hyperbole comes out).

My personal issue with the whole "people die everyday" thing for the past year has been the obvious influx of deaths. The difference between an average and bad flu season is ~20k deaths, yet we're talking about 10x the number of a bad flu season dying of Covid, and that's with the shutdowns and masks and what not.

But, can you imagine 600,000 people dying from the vaccine in the next year? Half that? Ten percent of that? At ten percent or even far less, the vaccines would be deemed a colossal failure all around, much less the opportunity costs of waiting another 6 months or year to start getting shots in arms.


And I'll admit, reading this thread, I noticed the pattern of some of the people who have dismissed Covid as a real threat for the past year and have called others afraid and scared of a virus, are now what I could easily call "afraid" of a vaccine. One of those things killed 600k Americans and caused serious long term issues to many others (and we had relatively little control over it), while the other will most likely kill or cause issues for a small fraction of 600k (and has been tested and so forth).

And while I'll probably shitpost about that at some point, there's of course more to the story... and for some people, that story is they're terrible at math, and for others it's the denial of only wanting to look out for themselves... but, many others don't fall into the extreme and are simply trying to make sense of the data they come across.