Movies and TV The Greatest Movie Franchises of All Time - Western Division Round 1 - Page 2

**DaFace** · 09:45 AM

Links to preceding threads:

Spoiler!

You can view the entire tournament bracket here as we go along, but here's the Western division:

Please vote for the franchise in each pair that you feel is most deserving of being in consideration for the Greatest Movie Franchise of All Time. I'll put one of these up every day or two as we go along. So vote!

Possible Concerns and Responses:

A franchise I like isn't on the list! Too bad. Nominations are closed. This is just a fun offseason diversion, but feel free to complain in the thread if it will make you feel better.
There's something on the list that I don't even think is a franchise! Don't vote for it.
There's something on the list that I don't recognize. Yeah, there are a few that I don't recognize either. If you feel generous, look it up and determine if you think it's worthy. Or just don't vote for it. Either option is allowed.
The seeding seems weird (or there's something I have no idea how it got in there). The seeding is based on total estimated tickets from Box Office Mojo, but some older franchises were randomly seeded since we don't have any data available about their ticket sales. Again, if you don't feel something is deserving, don't vote for it!

Frazod · 04-11-2019, 11:27 AM

Alien v. Die Hard was tough. Aliens and Die Hard are my two favorite movies from the 80s. But I like Aliens just a hair better.

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2019, 11:33 AM

I went with...

Bond over Revenge of the Nerds. I'm not a huge Bond fan, but it's had its moments. Pretty straightforward win.

Back to the Future over Bourne. BTTF is an iconic film franchise. It's part of our culture now. Everyone knows Marty and the Delorean and the Doc. Bourne is just a movie. Easy win here.

Love Bug over Hunger Games. I liked Love Bug as a tiny child and suspect I would like it less today. But the original was my favorite movie from the ages of roughly 5 through 8, and I remember having deep film discussions with other kids about how the movie wouldn't have been the same if they had cast a sedan or station wagon in the leading role. I saw one Hunger Games movie and it was a fine movie, but I'm going with the Bug here.

Hangover over Fast and Furious. This isn't even a contest. All three Hangover movies are great rides and highly entertaining, even if all three movies are the same plot. Fast and Furious is just a bunch of car stuff, all probably with the same plot. Hangover should go deep into the tournament.

Classic Mysteries over Karate Kid - Meh. Classic mysteries in a coin flip. They're kind of famous so they must be good.

Police Academy over Shrek. I have a minor bias against animated films, and Police Academy ... well, it was a vehicle for some former NFL players to act. Whatever.

Alien over Die Hard. Good scifi is rare. It's hard to do scifi well, and all three Alien movies were top notch. And that thing was on that guy's face and then it burst out of his chest and stuff. You gotta vote for Alien, people, you just gotta!

Jurassic Park over Blade. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs always win.

patteeu · 04-11-2019, 11:34 AM

After seeing the brackets in the east and west for round 1, my conclusion is that there aren’t really very many good movie franchises. I see quite a few that had one good movie and a bunch of money-grabbing stinkers, but not many quality series with multiple good entries.

Fun offseason tournament though.

patteeu · 04-11-2019, 11:37 AM

I guess there are also some series that have relatively steady quality, but they’re so far outside my interest area that I overlook them. Like Hope & Crosby or Shrek.

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2019, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

After seeing the brackets in the east and west for round 1, my conclusion is that there aren’t really very many good movie franchises. I see quite a few that had one good movie and a bunch of money-grabbing stinkers, but not many quality series with multiple good entries.

Fun offseason tournament though.

That does seem to be the standard formula. I think a few stand out as exceptions, such as Back To The Future and Alien, but most are just a good movie and then a comet tail of debris.

**kysirsoze** · 04-11-2019, 11:41 AM

Die Hard beating Alien is just insane. There is one... ONE good Die Hard movie and as great as it is, it isn't as good as Alien. It's POSSIBLY better than Aliens. That's all. I know people love Die Hard but I'm pretty shocked at that one.

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Die Hard beating Alien is just insane. There is one... ONE good Die Hard movie and as great as it is, it isn't as good as Alien. It's POSSIBLY better than Aliens. That's all. I know people love Die Hard but I'm pretty shocked at that one.

Agreed. Alien should be a top contender, and it's getting beat up by a Christmas flick.

saphojunkie · 04-11-2019, 11:49 AM

Whoever you dumb ****s that voted for Karate Kid over classic mysteries need to have your brains ripped out through your ****ing assholes, since you clearly don't use them.

saphojunkie · 04-11-2019, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I went with...

Bond over Revenge of the Nerds. I'm not a huge Bond fan, but it's had its moments. Pretty straightforward win.

Back to the Future over Bourne. BTTF is an iconic film franchise. It's part of our culture now. Everyone knows Marty and the Delorean and the Doc. Bourne is just a movie. Easy win here.

Love Bug over Hunger Games. I liked Love Bug as a tiny child and suspect I would like it less today. But the original was my favorite movie from the ages of roughly 5 through 8, and I remember having deep film discussions with other kids about how the movie wouldn't have been the same if they had cast a sedan or station wagon in the leading role. I saw one Hunger Games movie and it was a fine movie, but I'm going with the Bug here.

Hangover over Fast and Furious. This isn't even a contest. All three Hangover movies are great rides and highly entertaining, even if all three movies are the same plot. Fast and Furious is just a bunch of car stuff, all probably with the same plot. Hangover should go deep into the tournament.

Classic Mysteries over Karate Kid - Meh. Classic mysteries in a coin flip. They're kind of famous so they must be good.

Police Academy over Shrek. I have a minor bias against animated films, and Police Academy ... well, it was a vehicle for some former NFL players to act. Whatever.

Alien over Die Hard. Good scifi is rare. It's hard to do scifi well, and all three Alien movies were top notch. And that thing was on that guy's face and then it burst out of his chest and stuff. You gotta vote for Alien, people, you just gotta!

Jurassic Park over Blade. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs always win.

The metric ****-ton of cinematic language born from these movies that we STILL employ is staggering. The innovations in cinematography, lighting, editing, and story structure remain every bit a part of the other movies in this contest that people are so quick to gush about.

FFS the AMC movie theater bar is called "MacGuffin's." The Maltese Falcon INVENTED the MacGuffin - the object our hero seeks which is ultimately meaningless, because what he/she truly needs to find is within.

AKA

EVERY ****ING INDIANA JONES PLOT

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THE ****ING HANGOVER

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2019, 11:54 AM

**DaFace** · 04-11-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

BTTF is seeded way low, IMO. It's pretty iconic all around. The car, the characters, the humor, the style, the 911 predictions, quotable quotes, etc.

BTTF seems like it's managed to stay relevant long after its cinematic release, so I'd agree that ticket sales might be an imperfect metric (although there's nothing else that's better really). My guess is that if we had a way of looking at total views in any format, it'd be seeded quite a bit higher.

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

The metric ****-ton of cinematic language born from these movies that we STILL employ is staggering. The innovations in cinematography, lighting, editing, and story structure remain every bit a part of the other movies in this contest that people are so quick to gush about.

FFS the AMC movie theater bar is called "MacGuffin's." The Maltese Falcon INVENTED the MacGuffin - the object our hero seeks which is ultimately meaningless, because what he/she truly needs to find is within.

AKA

EVERY ****ING INDIANA JONES PLOT

aka

THE ****ING HANGOVER

It's too bad they're in black and white, though. And that they're not comedies. If they were comedies and in color, I'd support them much more strongly.

And maybe some gratuitous female nudity. That always helps.

**kysirsoze** · 04-11-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Whoever you dumb ****s that voted for Karate Kid over classic mysteries need to have your brains ripped out through your ****ing assholes, since you clearly don't use them.

I didn't vote for the classic mysteries because I don't see them as a movie franchise. They're obviously superior films to the Karate Kid.

**wazu** · 04-11-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Die Hard beating Alien is just insane. There is one... ONE good Die Hard movie and as great as it is, it isn't as good as Alien. It's POSSIBLY better than Aliens. That's all. I know people love Die Hard but I'm pretty shocked at that one.

I just really loved the first Die Hard movie. I can appreciate that Alien was really good and I liked it when I first saw, but it's really that horror genre that I'm not as big on. Aliens was more of a solid action flick. Neither "franchise" has anything beyond that so I picked the one all-time classic that I enjoy and based my decision on that.

**kysirsoze** · 04-11-2019, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I just really loved the first Die Hard movie. I can appreciate that Alien was really good and I liked it when I first saw, but it's really that horror genre that I'm not as big on. Aliens was more of a solid action flick. Neither "franchise" has anything beyond that so I picked the one all-time classic that I enjoy and based my decision on that.

I think that's what most people are doing. It's just not how I see the tournament in general. Same reason I voted against Ghostbusters in the other division even though it's probably a top ten all time movie for me.

View Poll Results: Please vote for the option that is most deserving of being in the conversation.
---Matchup 1---	1	0.65%
1 James Bond	136	88.31%
16 Revenge of the Nerds	16	10.39%
---Matchup 2---	1	0.65%
8 Bourne	58	37.66%
9 Back to the Future	92	59.74%
---Matchup 3---	1	0.65%
5 The Hunger Games	102	66.23%
12 Herbie the Love Bug	40	25.97%
---Matchup 4---	1	0.65%
4 Fast and the Furious	66	42.86%
13 The Hangover	79	51.30%
---Matchup 5---	1	0.65%
6 Classic Mysteries w/ Humphrey Bogart (The Big Sleep, Dark Passage, Key Largo, The Maltese Falcon, etc.)	58	37.66%
11 Karate Kid	83	53.90%
---Matchup 6---	1	0.65%
3 Shrek	79	51.30%
14 Police Academy	70	45.45%
---Matchup 7---	1	0.65%
7 Alien	43	27.92%
10 Die Hard	109	70.78%
---Matchup 8---	2	1.30%
2 Jurassic Park	126	81.82%
15 Blade	27	17.53%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

04-11-2019, 09:25 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2046899	The Greatest Movie Franchises of All Time - Western Division Round 1 Links to preceding threads: Spoiler! Nomination Thread Play-in Round Eastern Division Round 1 You can view the entire tournament bracket here as we go along, but here's the Western division: Please vote for the franchise in each pair that you feel is most deserving of being in consideration for the Greatest Movie Franchise of All Time. I'll put one of these up every day or two as we go along. So vote! Possible Concerns and Responses: *A franchise I like isn't on the list!* Too bad. Nominations are closed. This is just a fun offseason diversion, but feel free to complain in the thread if it will make you feel better. *There's something on the list that I don't even think is a franchise!* Don't vote for it. *There's something on the list that I don't recognize.* Yeah, there are a few that I don't recognize either. If you feel generous, look it up and determine if you think it's worthy. Or just don't vote for it. Either option is allowed. *The seeding seems weird (or there's something I have no idea how it got in there).* The seeding is based on total estimated tickets from Box Office Mojo, but some older franchises were randomly seeded since we don't have any data available about their ticket sales. Again, if you don't feel something is deserving, don't vote for it! Last edited by DaFace; 04-11-2019 at 09:45 AM..
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04-11-2019, 11:27 AM	#16
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3145085	Alien v. Die Hard was tough. Aliens and Die Hard are my two favorite movies from the 80s. But I like Aliens just a hair better.
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04-11-2019, 11:33 AM	#17
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3338491 VARSITY	I went with... Bond over Revenge of the Nerds. I'm not a huge Bond fan, but it's had its moments. Pretty straightforward win. Back to the Future over Bourne. BTTF is an iconic film franchise. It's part of our culture now. Everyone knows Marty and the Delorean and the Doc. Bourne is just a movie. Easy win here. Love Bug over Hunger Games. I liked Love Bug as a tiny child and suspect I would like it less today. But the original was my favorite movie from the ages of roughly 5 through 8, and I remember having deep film discussions with other kids about how the movie wouldn't have been the same if they had cast a sedan or station wagon in the leading role. I saw one Hunger Games movie and it was a fine movie, but I'm going with the Bug here. Hangover over Fast and Furious. This isn't even a contest. All three Hangover movies are great rides and highly entertaining, even if all three movies are the same plot. Fast and Furious is just a bunch of car stuff, all probably with the same plot. Hangover should go deep into the tournament. Classic Mysteries over Karate Kid - Meh. Classic mysteries in a coin flip. They're kind of famous so they must be good. Police Academy over Shrek. I have a minor bias against animated films, and Police Academy ... well, it was a vehicle for some former NFL players to act. Whatever. Alien over Die Hard. Good scifi is rare. It's hard to do scifi well, and all three Alien movies were top notch. And that thing was on that guy's face and then it burst out of his chest and stuff. You gotta vote for Alien, people, you just gotta! Jurassic Park over Blade. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs always win. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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04-11-2019, 11:34 AM	#18
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	After seeing the brackets in the east and west for round 1, my conclusion is that there aren’t really very many good movie franchises. I see quite a few that had one good movie and a bunch of money-grabbing stinkers, but not many quality series with multiple good entries. Fun offseason tournament though. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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04-11-2019, 11:37 AM	#19
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	I guess there are also some series that have relatively steady quality, but they’re so far outside my interest area that I overlook them. Like Hope & Crosby or Shrek. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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04-11-2019, 11:41 AM	#21
kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $3776946	Die Hard beating Alien is just insane. There is one... ONE good Die Hard movie and as great as it is, it isn't as good as Alien. It's POSSIBLY better than Aliens. That's all. I know people love Die Hard but I'm pretty shocked at that one.
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04-11-2019, 11:49 AM	#23
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4766250	Whoever you dumb **s that voted for Karate Kid over classic mysteries need to have your brains ripped out through your **ing assholes, since you clearly don't use them.
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04-11-2019, 11:54 AM	#25
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3338491 VARSITY	__________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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