The Punisher (Netflix series)

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

I finished this series yesterday. I really liked the series, and Bernthal was born to play the role, but it's not a superhero show and definitely not for kids. I also imagine that there will be more than one PTSD-riddled veteran needing extra VA therapist appointments after that, so if you or any of your friends suffer from that, maybe go watch Stranger Things instead or something.

Spoiler!

I don't think we'll see Micro again; I think this season was his arc, and it ended at a good place, which is good by me. I also think it's a foregone conclusion that Jigsaw will be back for Season Two, which is good, because I liked Prince Caspian's portrayal of his vanity and moral emptiness, and I want to see how he does that character with the sanity switch off. I also really liked Dina by the end, but she's not integral; I imagine that next season we'll be likely to have Frank run across one or two superhumans, starting with Force, who we last saw watching boxing reruns and from whom they could make a pretty good tear-soaked-rampage/theft-from-a-slimy-corporation storyline, maybe with Justin Hammer or alongside Melvin Potter? Now I'm just spitballing.

Other thoughts: I don't know how anyone could look at Crazy-Eyed Jacked-Out Bernthal swing a sledgehammer every day and think he was a mindless, bullyable gimp; I loved the song they used for Captain Sledgey's Revenge at the end of episode 1; I'm enjoying Turk and Now-Detective Mahoney more than I am missing Rosario Dawson; I did love seeing the van, but the muscle-car chase scene could have been better; Jigsaw's fate was squeamishly and amazingly perfect; and the girl at the popcorn stand at the end should be able to do much better than her weenie co-worker.

That'll do. Now what's next, Luke Cage 2, I guess?

If I was Netflix, I'd start some new ones to get them going before the agreement expires with Disney. But, Marvel has to agree to something new, otherwise why wouldn't Netflix do a Ironman, Captain America etc. series? It wouldn't make business sense for them to let Netflix have the whole catalog to pick from.

[GloucesterChief]

They have already introduced Patsy Walker so they can do Hellcat. Surprised they didn't do Shang Chi in IF to get that license.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

They have already introduced Patsy Walker so they can do Hellcat. Surprised they didn't do Shang Chi in IF to get that license.

Pretty much the only reason for IF season 2 IMO. Introduce new characters so you can start spinoffs.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If I was Netflix, I'd start some new ones to get them going before the agreement expires with Disney. But, Marvel has to agree to something new, otherwise why wouldn't Netflix do a Ironman, Captain America etc. series? It wouldn't make business sense for them to let Netflix have the whole catalog to pick from.

Read the links I posted.

All NEW shows move to the Disney streaming service. All EXISTING shows (and spinoffs from those shows) stay with their current distributor, whether it is Netflix, ABC, Freeform, whoever.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by unlurking

Read the links I posted.

All NEW shows move to the Disney streaming service. All EXISTING shows (and spinoffs from those shows) stay with their current distributor, whether it is Netflix, ABC, Freeform, whoever.

they introduce new characters into their exsisting shows and spin them off into a new show later.

[WhiteWhale]

Meh.

I think it's a bit odd that there's a completely pointless story about an insane terrorist veteran.

It contributes nothing to the plot. IF you eliminated the whole story, only put in the 1 episode it actually tied in with, nothing is lost and I"m less bored.

The whole story with lewis came off as low class bashing of veterans.

ACtually, ALL vets are portrayed badly. They're all broken, evil, or crazy. The one guy who SEEMS to have his shit together is later exposed as morally irredeemable. The one who seems like a good person all through out is, of course, physically maimed.

It distracted from the show, which wasn't as good as it should have been. Bernthal is awesome though. His performance creates the illusion the show was better than it actually was.

Bottom line: This was an 8 episode story stretched to 13 with too many irrelevant side plots.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Meh.

I think it's a bit odd that there's a completely pointless story about an insane terrorist veteran.

It contributes nothing to the plot. IF you eliminated the whole story, only put in the 1 episode it actually tied in with, nothing is lost and I"m less bored.

The whole story with lewis came off as low class bashing of veterans.

ACtually, ALL vets are portrayed badly. They're all broken, evil, or crazy. The one guy who SEEMS to have his shit together is later exposed as morally irredeemable. The one who seems like a good person all through out is, of course, physically maimed.

war veterans are almost all screwed up from their experiences. Some are functioning, some are thriving. But, 22 veterans committ suicide every day. Most lost friends and will carry survivor guilt for the rest of their lives.

l think it's a good thing to not gloss over the personal costs of war for the vets when they return to civilized society after war. Most were just wanting to serve their country, they did with honor but now comes the ugly cost of war.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

war veterans are almost all screwed up from their experiences. Some are functioning, some are thriving. But, 22 veterans committ suicide every day. Most lost friends and will carry survivor guilt for the rest of their lives.

l think it's a good thing to not gloss over the personal costs of war for the vets when they return to civilized society after war. Most were just wanting to serve their country, they did with honor but now comes the ugly cost of war.

Yes. One of the worst things you can do to someone is put them in modern combat. I have a dislike for war mongers for that very reason.

[sully1983]

Kind of baffled at the hate / dislike this got on Rotten Tomatoes . Its only at 61% . For me, this was flat out badass & entertaining as hell. Jon Bernthal kicks so much ass as the Punisher & I thought it had a satisfying ending too. Would highly recommend binge watching it.

On a side note, I didn't particularly like The Defenders (aside from Daredevil). The actor that played the Iron Fist deserves a Razzie cause he sucked so much.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by sully1983

Kind of baffled at the hate / dislike this got on Rotten Tomatoes . Its only at 61% . For me, this was flat out badass & entertaining as hell. Jon Bernthal kicks so much ass as the Punisher & I thought it had a satisfying ending too. Would highly recommend binge watching it.

On a side note, I didn't particularly like The Defenders (aside from Daredevil). The actor that played the Iron Fist deserves a Razzie cause he sucked so much.

Jon Bernthal like Christopher Reeves casted as Superman was born to play Frank Castle

IMO, the gun control assholes are the antagonists projecting their political beliefs.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/jessica_jones/s01
Jessica Jones


Critic rating 92%

audience 89%

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/luke_cage

Luke Cage

Critics 95%

Audience 78 %

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/ma...e_punisher/s01

Punisher


Critics 61%

Audience 94%

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by sully1983

Kind of baffled at the hate / dislike this got on Rotten Tomatoes . Its only at 61% . For me, this was flat out badass & entertaining as hell. Jon Bernthal kicks so much ass as the Punisher & I thought it had a satisfying ending too. Would highly recommend binge watching it.

Bernthal was perfectly cast. He manages to perfectly balance the torment of losing his family and the rage it causes.

Since everything has become political people react with knee-jerk speed and then take to the internet. I was even guilty of this for a minute. When the "terrorist" character was introduced I thought "there we go, a cartoon generality of the right." And one episode later they introduced a character that was just the same on the left. To me it didn't feel like South Park just pissing on everyone it was more of a "both you extremes only make things worth" type of statement they were making.

If people hate anything it's being told not only are they wrong but they're making things worse.

Originally Posted by sully1983

On a side note, I didn't particularly like The Defenders (aside from Daredevil). The actor that played the Iron Fist deserves a Razzie cause he sucked so much.

I was hugely disappointed with Defenders.

If you watch it twice, after the initial glee over seeing them all together wears off, it really wasn't good.

It was very "meh" with moments that were really good...

[Tribal Warfare]

What would really badass if you have a Punisher kills the marvel universe scenario, with the Defenders as the scapegoat.Micro's family is slaughtered.

It would really be intense if he tortures Luke Cage, being practically invulnerable. Frank and Micro having detailed knowledge how Diamondbacks exploits to retrieve The Judas Bullet to kill Luke

[BigRichard]

I am getting close to the end of the series and I really love this one. This coming from a guy that was very meh on Dare Devil (until Frank showed up). Hated Luke Cage and Iron Fist and back to a meh on Jessica Jones.

Doesn't feel like a "Super hero movie" and that is a good thing. A lot of cheesy acting and scenes in the other shows but not so much in this one.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

Doesn't feel like a "Super hero movie" and that is a good thing. A lot of cheesy acting and scenes in the other shows but not so much in this one.

This is why I love the idea of Netflix doing Marvel characters. If you knew nothing about the Punisher or Marvel you could watch and like this series. In fact I don't think it referenced anything super hero in it.

People forget that Constantine, 300, 30 days of Night, and A History Of Violence were all comic books. At this point comix are just a medium like radio or TV...

[dmahurin]

So seeing as the the punisher and the daredevil exist in the same universe, and daredevil and the teenage mutant ninja turtles were mutated from the same slime at the same time, what are the odds that Frank and Micro's hideout is an old TMNT hideout. All the old computers, hidden lair, etc. Even the van they drive around in looks like it is a modern turtle van. I'm calling a TMNT cameo in either daredevil or the punisher in the next few seasons.