Hunt outlines changes the Chiefs are making to get the red back in Arrowhead

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Their careers aren't on the line if they don't win a SB. However, their careers WILL be on the line if they can't at least go 8-8 and sell tickets.

Which do you think is going to be a priority with them?

I think people have lost their ****ing minds is what I think.

There is a distinct difference between believing the moves the Chiefs are making will only get them to 8-8 and believing that that is their goal and everyone in the organization would be happy with that.

I have no issue with anyone believing that 8-8 or 9-7 is this teams ceiling with Alex Smith.

I think if you believe that's the plan and goal you are an idiot who thinks way too highly of your own opinion when it comes to football.

And that is what many people are claiming. Its ludicrous.

[Coogs]

Just winning may not be enough. Team went 10-6 in 2010, and IIRC the place wasn't packed even late in the season with the playoffs on the line. And I don't believe that 10-6 season parlayed into a rush on people buying season tickets in 2011.

[gblowfish]

This is so sad.

Chunt thinks the way to make us love the Chiefs is to give us a plastic card to earn "Frequent Fan Points?" They want me to use a Chiefs Card like I'm shopping at CVS or Price Chopper? JFC, gimme a break. All they want to do is gather more marketing information. That's all this is. It is a cynical, calculated business move only. This proves NOTHING to me. If they really loved the STH, they wouldn't make you EARN a trip onto the sidelines. I got to do that anyway the last couple of years. I don't give a crap about having dinner with Coach Reid. It would probably be pretty disgusting anyway, watching that fat **** choke down a slab of ribs.

Every retail outlet now wants you to have "their card." They want to know what you bought, when you bought it, why you bought it, what else you might buy....buy....buy....buy.....buy.

Nothing to see here. It's same as it ever was.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

This is so sad.

Chunt thinks the way to make us love the Chiefs is to give us a plastic card to earn "Frequent Fan Points?" They want me to use a Chiefs Card like I'm shopping at CVS or Price Chopper? JFC, gimme a break. All they want to do is gather more marketing information. That's all this is. It is a cynical, calculated business move only. This proves NOTHING to me. If they really loved the STH, they wouldn't make you EARN a trip onto the sidelines. I got to do that anyway the last couple of years. I don't give a crap about having dinner with Coach Reid. It would probably be pretty disgusting anyway, watching that fat **** choke down a slab of ribs.

Every retail outlet now wants you to have "their card." They want to know what you bought, when you bought it, why you bought it, what else you might buy....buy....buy....buy.....buy.

Nothing to see here. It's same as it ever was.

Actually, not to nitpick, but having worked on the data side of these programs, these programs are great for the business and the customer. It's a great idea and I'm glad the Chiefs are on the cutting edge. As for "earning" rewards. I love this too. If you are a devoted fan through thick and thin, more than just showing up to a few games and sitting down the entire time, than hell yeah, give them better seats and perks. I don't see any problem with rewarding fans who are most loyal to their team. Since it sounds like you are beyond a loyal fan, I'm sure you'll get some sweet perks too and your tune will change.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Actually, not to nitpick, but having worked on the data side of these programs, these programs are great for the business and the customer. It's a great idea and I'm glad the Chiefs are on the cutting edge. As for "earning" rewards. I love this too. If you are a devoted fan through thick and thin, more than just showing up to a few games and sitting down the entire time, than hell yeah, give them better seats and perks. I don't see any problem with rewarding fans who are most loyal to their team. Since it sounds like you are beyond a loyal fan, I'm sure you'll get some sweet perks too and your tune will change.

So... The card will monitor your ass psition to determine whether you are standing or sitting?
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

So... The card will monitor your ass psition to determine whether you are standing or sitting?
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If you are going to every home game multiple years, draft parties, Arrowhead events, etc.... more than likely you love this team, and more than likely you're the type of fan who likes to stand and get loud. Not rocket science.

[gblowfish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Actually, not to nitpick, but having worked on the data side of these programs, these programs are great for the business and the customer. It's a great idea and I'm glad the Chiefs are on the cutting edge. As for "earning" rewards. I love this too. If you are a devoted fan through thick and thin, more than just showing up to a few games and sitting down the entire time, than hell yeah, give them better seats and perks. I don't see any problem with rewarding fans who are most loyal to their team. Since it sounds like you are beyond a loyal fan, I'm sure you'll get some sweet perks too and your tune will change.

Are you a mult for Reid the Red, the Chiefs current version of Baghdad Bob?

Oh, and as far as "earning rewards as a devoted fan" all I can tell you is my family has had season tickets for 45 years. In 1993 when the Chiefs made it to the AFC Championship game, all we got from the Chiefs was a letter from Carl Peterson telling to go **** ourselves if we wanted a shot at Super Bowl Tickets. That really showed me what the Chiefs thought of our family loyalty when the rubber met the road.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Are you a mult for Reid the Red, the Chiefs current version of Baghdad Bob?

Oh, and as far as "earning rewards as a devoted fan" all I can tell you is my family has had season tickets for 45 years. In 1993 when the Chiefs made it to the AFC Championship game, all we got from the Chiefs was a letter from Carl Peterson telling to go **** ourselves if we wanted a shot at Super Bowl Tickets. That really showed me what the Chiefs thought of our family loyalty when the rubber met the road.

No, man. I respect your opinion a lot. I am just saying I know the loyalty business and think you have a misperception of it. This is one of the few business practices that have been great for customers and fans. Because businesses that use loyalty/rewards cards build their business around what customers want, not what some executive on the 50th floor thinks customers want.

To your second point... I know you've been screwed in the past. I'm assuming the new program fixes that by actually tracking your loyalty, not just with season tickets, but also with things you do outside of Arrowhead. Maybe you'll get ****ed again. If you do, that's a damn shame.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think people have lost their ****ing minds is what I think.

There is a distinct difference between believing the moves the Chiefs are making will only get them to 8-8 and believing that that is their goal and everyone in the organization would be happy with that.

I have no issue with anyone believing that 8-8 or 9-7 is this teams ceiling with Alex Smith.

I think if you believe that's the plan and goal you are an idiot who thinks way too highly of your own opinion when it comes to football.

And that is what many people are claiming. Its ludicrous.

Hmmm. You didn't really answer my question.

Look, I'm sure they'd love to win a SB, but I don't believe that it's a priority for them or any other coach/GM in the league. Their main concern is keeping their jobs for as long as possible. If they happen to win a SB along the way, that's great. If not, oh well, we all made a shit ton of money.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Hmmm. You didn't really answer my question.

Look, I'm sure they'd love to win a SB, but I don't believe that it's a priority for them or any other coach/GM in the league. Their main concern is keeping their jobs for as long as possible. If they happen to win a SB along the way, that's great. If not, oh well, we all made a shit ton of money.

Andy Reid is an established coach. He didn't come to KC to go 8-8 and worry about his job, I guarantee you that.

He has his guaranteed $ wrapped up in his contract, you act like he could get fired after 2 seasons and miss out on the other 3 years worth of money. Nope he is paid one way or another.

The fact is all Reid has to focus on is winning as much as humanly possible. I dont think 8-8 is part of that plan.

Does he have the ability to push this team to a playoff win? I think so. If he doesn't it wont be because he got to 8-8 and didn't worry about anything more.

If anything the trade for Smith tells us they think they can win now. Had they drafted Geno they would have had a few years to develop him without worry of job repercussions.

Trading for Alex pushed the expectations on them right now so that blows the 8-8 job security crap off the map out the gate.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Hmmm. You didn't really answer my question.

Look, I'm sure they'd love to win a SB, but I don't believe that it's a priority for them or any other coach/GM in the league. Their main concern is keeping their jobs for as long as possible. If they happen to win a SB along the way, that's great. If not, oh well, we all made a shit ton of money.

I have a lot of questions about whether Reid can manage games to get a team into a Super Bowl. Never once have I questioned that the dude wants to win.

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think people have lost their ****ing minds is what I think.

There is a distinct difference between believing the moves the Chiefs are making will only get them to 8-8 and believing that that is their goal and everyone in the organization would be happy with that.

I have no issue with anyone believing that 8-8 or 9-7 is this teams ceiling with Alex Smith.

I think if you believe that's the plan and goal you are an idiot who thinks way too highly of your own opinion when it comes to football.

And that is what many people are claiming. Its ludicrous.

Agreed. What kills me is how they KNOW xWhats going to happen and how they KNOW that the new regime only wants to go 8-8 and their goal isn't to go to SB. They KNOW everything.

No one KNOWS shit. They may be right, they may not. But to even for a one second think that it's more important to be mediocre than win it all is ridiculous. Everyone wants to win a SB. From the owner, to the GM, to the water boy, to the fans. Everyone wants to wina championship. 8-8 isn't enough for anyone, although to may be what we a looking at next year. But, I don't think anyone's goal is to continue to be 8-8.

Smith is a stop gap for the moment, until he proves otherwise, and I can't imagine this FO not drafting a QB once they see one they like.

Th draft hasn't happened yet. The poker hand hasn't hit the river yet.