***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

20% increase on Medicare payments literally doesn’t even come close to covering the gap.

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-b...he-literature/

From what I’ve seen, private doesn't pay more, so this doesn’t pass the sniff test.

you need to point your nose in the direction the wind blows.

The private (insurance) sector has nothing to do with this. The hospital Admin is expecting Fed Funds (in additon to Medi what ever) to pay for the loss in revenue. The initial fed program clearly stated COVID admissions will be handled "special".

Your nose needs work.
sniff away

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Down to about 800 deaths or less a day now with a drug available to trim a 1/3 off that. Good news!

Please don't tell me you think it's hydroxychloroquine

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Please don't tell me you think it's hydroxychloroquine

Dexamethasone.....

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Please don't tell me you think it's hydroxychloroquine

Dexamethasone

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why is this astounding?

Exactly. More media hype and bullshit. And I want to start seeing breakdowns from the media when they start yapping.

How many are asymptomatic?
How many are mild?
How many are serious?

The media would have you ready to hide in fear over 10 people with little or no symptoms.

[petegz28]

7-day average of new deaths is at its lowest level since April 1st.

[JakeLV]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

you need to point your nose in the direction the wind blows.

The private (insurance) sector has nothing to do with this. The hospital Admin is expecting Fed Funds (in additon to Medi what ever) to pay for the loss in revenue. The initial fed program clearly stated COVID admissions will be handled "special".

Your nose needs work.
sniff away

I don’t want to assume here, so I feel like some questions are in order... How familiar are you with reimbursement for hospitals? What percentages are paid by private vs CMS? What Medicare fraud is and the punishments levied?

The risk/reward for fraud and level of required coordination doesn’t pass the sniff test either. This would be several people across the entire hospital actively attempting to defraud the government.

On a hospital level, sure. You can argue it makes sense for them to maximize their return. But for the actual individuals? Risk jail time/fines? For what? Most groups are contracted. Their payments and rates don’t change.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think you should use the entire numbers since this started and completely disregard that I was talking about currently where the south is trending upwards higher than any other region.

So are you being intentionally obtuse or are you just a dumb****?

You will be fine no one comes in or goes out your fortress.

[petegz28]

Well, Covid took it's hit on our health system yesterday and now that it's official news I think I am good to somewhat discuss. We had to furlough a number of employees yesterday and many probably will not be brought back.

This is due to the shutting down of elective procedures. The irony is all the steps our genius Governors took to protect hospitals ended up hurting them. I understand the need to shut things down hard at first but it drug out too long and now the very institutions that were to be protected are endangered.

Irony.....

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

I don’t want to assume here, so I feel like some questions are in order... How familiar are you with reimbursement for hospitals? What percentages are paid by private vs CMS? What Medicare fraud is and the punishments levied?

The risk/reward for fraud and level of required coordination doesn’t pass the sniff test either. This would be several people across the entire hospital actively attempting to defraud the government.

On a hospital level, sure. You can argue it makes sense for them to maximize their return. But for the actual individuals? Risk jail time/fines? For what? Most groups are contracted. Their payments and rates don’t change.

Jake

Are you serious?

Jail vs Risk

Come On Man
deep state created crisis
you talkin bout risk reward

Your "question" takin with what is going on is ATL and SEA
COMEONMAN

[Dunit35]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, Covid took it's hit on our health system yesterday and now that it's official news I think I am good to somewhat discuss. We had to furlough a number of employees yesterday and many probably will not be brought back.

This is due to the shutting down of elective procedures. The irony is all the steps our genius Governors took to protect hospitals ended up hurting them. I understand the need to shut things down hard at first but it drug out too long and now the very institutions that were to be protected are endangered.

Irony.....

Yep. They furloughed several at my wife’s work, including her. She’s currently taking temperatures instead of collecting unemployment. Of course our government shut down elective procedures costing millions of dollars for a surge that never came.

Now, they’re laying people off. So far she’s made it and is approved to go back to work on the 28th. We’ll see if that actually happens. Her trust with them is gone.

She heard it was non clinical people and higher ups. She’s clinical. They completely shut down one of the hospital long term care places. But it was in the negative before it started anyways.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, Covid took it's hit on our health system yesterday and now that it's official news I think I am good to somewhat discuss. We had to furlough a number of employees yesterday and many probably will not be brought back.

This is due to the shutting down of elective procedures. The irony is all the steps our genius Governors took to protect hospitals ended up hurting them. I understand the need to shut things down hard at first but it drug out too long and now the very institutions that were to be protected are endangered.

Irony.....

For the economic hit the country took, it would have been nice if the time had been used to build up a system of testing, contact tracing, and isolating and we could have ended up looking more like South Korea.

Instead we pissed it away and we look like Brazil.

Pathetic.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

deep state created crisis

Stop it.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Stop it.

10-4

[ghak99]

A person has a freak accident and passes away. Said person is tested for covid post death and comes back positive. The local health department makes their big "new case" announcement on social media. Small town sheep scour all corners of the planet and the depths of social media hell trying to figure out who the new case is so they can all stay away from that family.

You can't make this shit up.