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Old 04-27-2006, 06:11 AM   Topic Starter
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My case for a 1st-round safety...Jimmy Williams
Not 1st day. 1st ROUND. And specifically, Jimmy Williams.

Exhibit 1: The San Diego Chargers

Despite the drafting of all-world DRoY Shawne Merriman, the Chargers were still bottom-5 in the league in nearly every pass defense category.

Exhibit 2: Kendrell Bell

Former all-world DRoY just like Shawne Merriman. Suffered last year for whatever reason, but was obviously not used correctly. This year, he's slated to play down on the line, much like Thomas used to. Whether or not he's the answer remains to be seen, but his production prior to KC (when he was used correctly and healthy) is far superior to anyone we have on the team currently.

Exhibit 3: The top 10 defenses in the league.

Out the top 10 defenses in the league, 6 had 1st-round S's starting for them. Only 4 of them had somebody with double-digit sacks. And only 4 of them were in the top 10 in sacks. 4 of them were actually in the bottom half in sacks.

Exhibit 4: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/3828/

If you actually read the section "Early Round Peak" and see what they say about safeties, you'll see that it's not saying what many of you thought at all. First, they're looking at STARTERS, not studs. And they're looking at safeties EVEN if they've moved to other positions, like CB (their example: Troy Vincent). Taking that into account, their list includes both GREG WESLEY and WILLIAM BARTEE "so the freakishly talented athletes are rare at this position"
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:34 AM   #2
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You make a strong case.

I'm fine with the pick if he's there but if he's not who do you like in the 2nd round?
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:01 AM   #3
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I'm not sure I'd take a safety in the 2nd round.

If Williams is gone, I'd look to take Lawson in the 1st and a CB in the 2nd.

If Williams and Lawson are both gone, I'd probably trade down.

If Williams is there and we take him, I'd target Tapp in the 2nd.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:03 AM   #4
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I'm not sure I'd take a safety in the 2nd round.

If Williams is gone, I'd look to take Lawson in the 1st and a CB in the 2nd.

If Williams and Lawson are both gone, I'd probably trade down.

If Williams is there and we take him, I'd target Tapp in the 2nd.
I can live with that.

But if we trade down what position would you target? Hali or a different CB?
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:18 AM   #5
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I can live with that.

But if we trade down what position would you target? Hali or a different CB?
Depends on how far we traded down. If we could get into the 28-32 range, I'd probably look at Hali.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:22 AM   #6
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Depends on how far we traded down. If we could get into the 28-32 range, I'd probably look at Hali.
I agree with that. If it's only a few spots, I'd still look at CBs or Holmes is he's still there.

I still have this damn idea from Coogs in my head, that the Jets might want to jump in front of the Pats. We give 20+54 for 29+35, and perhaps hold our 4th round pick for ransom, and regain that as well. We could get Hali and a good CB/S prospect with 29/35.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:23 AM   #7
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I am on the Williams bandwagon. If Williams is gone I wouldnt mind trading down and getting Allen. Then grab Jennings or Tapp in the 2nd.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:27 AM   #8
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I am on the Williams bandwagon. If Williams is gone I wouldnt mind trading down and getting Allen. Then grab Jennings or Tapp in the 2nd.
If Allen slips that far, it probably means his hip problem is worse than thought. Right now, Allen is a guy I would avoid.
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:47 AM   #9
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1st round safety ......... not gonna happen
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Old 04-27-2006, 10:00 AM   #10
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1st round safety ......... not gonna happen
Probably not. The Chiefs aren't smart enough to make the move.
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Probably not. The Chiefs aren't smart enough to make the move.
I don't think they're smart enough to quit making it...
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Old 04-27-2006, 10:47 AM   #12
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I don't think they're smart enough to quit making it...
Probably. The only thing that would be worse than not addressing the need at safety would be drafting a safety and moving him to CB.
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And I'm OK with Williams as a CB, although if we're gonna go CB I'd rather go with a true CB...
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Old 04-28-2006, 03:41 PM   #14
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And I'm OK with Williams as a CB, although if we're gonna go CB I'd rather go with a true CB...
Maybe we could use Williams as our nickle/dime corner, like what they did with Woods in '03 when our defense actually DID something (until Maz went down). Yes, I know it was a Robinson defense, but they found ways to most effectively use their personnel.
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:54 AM   #15
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The Chiefs have no business taking a first round safety. They need to solidify the front seven before they do that.
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