***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

People saying it worked for them or their loved ones????

You get that that is anecdotal, yes?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Reality is people on the ground saying it is working, reality is governments acquiring the drug in massive amounts.

Evidence of it being effective does exist. You choose to wait for a "official" report. Thats fine but claiming there is zero evidence is a outright lie.

Some people on the ground who want media attention are saying it is working.
Posting your success over twitter is not how I would go about if I wanted my results to be respected.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Particularly encouraging.

Oh! Well, look at me being all embarrassed and shit.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

People saying it worked for them or their loved ones????

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

You get that that is anecdotal, yes?

You get I never said otherwise, yes?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Some people on the ground who want media attention are saying it is working.
Posting your success over twitter is not how I would go about if I wanted my results to be respected.

You might say they're looking for the "My Pillow" guy treatment.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

You get that that is anecdotal, yes?

Still evidence yeah?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Okay, they are lying....got it...glad you were here to tell us that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Reality is people on the ground saying it is working, reality is governments acquiring the drug in massive amounts.

Evidence of it being effective does exist. You choose to wait for a "official" report. Thats fine but claiming there is zero evidence is a outright lie.

The same people that will post that video of the crisis actor nurse freaking out in Chicago as proof that hospitals are overwhelmed will shit on any anecdotal testimony from doctors or patients suggesting that this thing may be effective.

The inconsistency is staggering.

Ultimately there's no good faith basis for a healthcare provider to say anything resembling "this is proven effective" because it undoubtedly hasn't been. But to say there's no evidence at all that it could be a viable weapon is equally asinine.

There's some evidence. In the same way witness testimony is evidence in a criminal matter, it's simply a question of weight. Is it DNA all over the crime scene? No, no it is not, but it's not nothing.

Anyone wanting to just slam the door on this right this very second is being little more than an ideologue. There is absolutely a good faith basis to believe this is worth continued study and that it MAY yield positive outcomes.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You get I never said otherwise, yes?

I don't know if you have or haven't. So, you want people to start taking this base don anecdotal evidence, is that correct?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Still evidence yeah?

You want you medical evidence the same way you get your Alien abduction news?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Some people on the ground who want media attention are saying it is working.
Posting your success over twitter is not how I would go about if I wanted my results to be respected.

I mean it is what it is, sorry these trial are not done. But it's a fluid situation with everything else. Why should this be any different in this thread?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay, they are lying....got it...glad you were here to tell us that.

It's concerning that you needed to be told that.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Still evidence yeah?

Some people say that they have seen bigfoot. Some people claim that they've been abducted by aliens.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I mean it is what it is, sorry these trial are not done. But it's a fluid situation with everything else. Why should this be any different in this thread?

There's been a trial ongoing in NY for over two weeks. We don't have the results.