***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[NotDonger]

For those asking about the previously infected:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...?resultClick=3

Consequently, individuals with a documented prior COVID-19 infection may be sufficiently protected from reinfection after a single mRNA vaccine dose

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, looks like at this point, there wouldn't be any reason to vaccinate someone who has had previous infection.

Maybe a single dose that would be specifically geared to Delta, but I don't think it's drifted enough genetically to be necessary.

Just had one of my people I manage who got Covid in December, vaccinated in March-April just test positive again after coming in contact with someone covid positive. Very mild cold symptoms.

Covid is crazy..

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Just had one of my people I manage who got Covid in December, vaccinated in March-April just test positive again after coming in contact with someone covid positive. Very mild cold symptoms.

Covid is crazy..

Outliers happen.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good...dy-protection/



People need to have proof that they actually had COVID, not that they "think" they had it because of some mild cold.

Also there's always going to be a grey area between symptomatic and asymptomatic.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Outliers happen.

yeah I was just shocked when they told me just a little while ago. I don't even know what to say other maybe a bad test... That is nuts

[loochy]

Originally Posted by stevieray

you fell for that?

...that's just his SOP.

Fell for what? I just explained what you said. I really take neither side in the matter.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Also there's always going to be a grey area between symptomatic and asymptomatic.

I found something the other day on asymptomatic, but apparently didn't save it.

Basically we just don't know at this point. No studies have been done.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

That is a serious lack of news bubble. I wonder what % of the country lives like that.

I have a feeling the size of that group is growing.

People are tuning out and I really don't blame them for doing it. In fact, I'm starting to envy their ability to do so.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Yeah it’s not perfect but it’s the only thing I could find on the CDC with hospitalizations year over year. I just don’t know that a “50% of hospitalizations, highest ever, are under 50” conveys anything meaningful given that 50% is probably most affected by many factors, including the far higher amounts of older people vaccinated compared to last year when they were such a high percentage.

It makes sense to me that younger people percentages would increase as the pool of potential older people hospitalizations reduces faster than the potential pool of younger people hospitilazations reduces. Sort of like how the more people get vaccinated the larger percentage of hospitalizations they will become.

I’m open to it affecting younger people harder than the original but hospitalization rates ad increased media focus are not an indicator of that.

Saw the hospitalizations for 30-50 year olds are almost double what they have been for covid in their release tosay.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yeah it makes no sense. HCQ + Zinc or whatever would be given to you in a hospital after you had Covid while you are racking up thousands of dollars or more in hospital bills.

How about instead take the free vaccine, stay out of the hospital and save the world.

Only a dumbass would pick the former.

No. Ideally, you'd start the treatment after early symptoms in an outpatient setting. And it's dirt cheap.

As for the vaccines, I could drop some bombshells substantiated by documented evidence, but it's a lost cause.

[Sure-Oz]

Don't be like this guy.

@johniadarola: ‘Nothing to be afraid of’: Anti-vaxxer said he was ‘glad’ to catch COVID – it killed him days later https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxxer-dies/

[Bearcat]

You changed it before I could grab a gif...

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[DaFace]

Just got notice that my employer is moving to mandatory vaccinations to come into the office starting on Monday. We are still mostly working from home, so it won't impact people THAT much, but interesting to see them getting more strict about it.

FWIW, they're using the CLEAR app to verify. You scan your ID, take a photo of your face, and scan your vaccination card to verify. Then you just show it to whomever to have a validated confirmation. Pretty simple.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Just got notice that my employer is moving to mandatory vaccinations to come into the office starting on Monday. We are still mostly working from home, so it won't impact people THAT much, but interesting to see them getting more strict about it.

FWIW, they're using the CLEAR app to verify. You scan your ID, take a photo of your face, and scan your vaccination card to verify. Then you just show it to whomever to have a validated confirmation. Pretty simple.

I just really hate having my info stored in someone's database, and there's no easy way to even access your data through Clear, much less delete it.

I do think a solution like that will need to be used and at least for you it's for work (for me it was just to get into a freakin Yotes game)... but, they could probably have some sort of validation that doesn't require storing all of your shit for you to never see again.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Just had one of my people I manage who got Covid in December, vaccinated in March-April just test positive again after coming in contact with someone covid positive. Very mild cold symptoms.

Covid is crazy..

Sounds like a good outcome, honestly.

The best outcome would be that they didn't catch it at all. But minor cold symptoms? I have minor cold symptoms due to allergies more days than not anyway.