'Playbook': Denver Broncos vs. Kansas City Chiefs

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's one reason I don't like integrating too much zone. Our corners are built for press, and our safeties are too incompetent to play zone. All our safeties would have done the same. At least demps makes a good read now and then.

I'm not sure why you think this. the more talented DB's are coveted for 1/1 cover schemes. these athletes have all the tools to play man cover -- quickness, good feet & speed. That's not the case with a lot of our guys.

but moreover, playing man against a team that is running crosses & rub routes the majority of their passing plays is suicide. you have to play a lot of zone and try to disrupt the catch, not the route.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

I'm not sure why you think this. the more talented DB's are coveted for 1/1 cover schemes. these athletes have all the tools to play man cover -- quickness, good feet & speed. That's not the case with a lot of our guys.

but moreover, playing man against a team that is running crosses & rub routes the majority of their passing plays is suicide. you have to play a lot of zone and try to disrupt the catch, not the route.

Because the best qbs in the game are destroying zone coverages. You won't fool them with a blitz, and if you're playing zone with a free release, qbs don't have their timing disrupted. I would rather get beat by a pick or two than repeatedly let Peyton's receivers get a free release. Given how often they run the pick play, obviously other defenses think the same.

Again, we have to stop acting like there is a magic bullet for beating Peyton except for weather and Peyton beating himself. Zone, blitz, man... He's going to beat you often.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because the best qbs in the game are destroying zone coverages. You won't fool them with a blitz, and if you're playing zone with a free release, qbs don't have their timing disrupted. I would rather get beat by a pick or two than repeatedly let Peyton's receivers get a free release. Given how often they run the pick play, obviously other defenses think the same.

Again, we have to stop acting like there is a magic bullet for beating Peyton except for weather and Peyton beating himself. Zone, blitz, man... He's going to beat you often.

Well, the 2 teams that have been successful against Denver have mixed up their coverages with both man and zone, so at least Peyton didn't know before coming to the line what to expect every time. Would make more sense to do this now at home where crowd noise can at least give them a bit more trouble calling it at the line and also flashing blitzes or overload even if it's just a fake show and dropping back to give their line assignment confusion and possibly get them mixed up and letting a man go free by accident maybe?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Well, the 2 teams that have been successful against Denver have mixed up their coverages with both man and zone, so at least Peyton didn't know before coming to the line what to expect every time. Would make more sense to do this now at home where crowd noise can at least give them a bit more trouble calling it at the line and also flashing blitzes or overload even if it's just a fake show and dropping back to give their line assignment confusion and possibly get them mixed up and letting a man go free by accident maybe?

If I'd seen your post before my last reply, I would have quoted you instead.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Well, the 2 teams that have been successful against Denver have mixed up their coverages with both man and zone, so at least Peyton didn't know before coming to the line what to expect every time. Would make more sense to do this now at home where crowd noise can at least give them a bit more trouble calling it at the line and also flashing blitzes or overload even if it's just a fake show and dropping back to give their line assignment confusion and possibly get them mixed up and letting a man go free by accident maybe?

Well, I would argue that Kansas City played Denver as well as any of them, especially considering that they played on the road. I do agree that playing at home gives them more opportunity to mix things up. Oline especially might struggle to get the checks. But our base absolutely has to be man.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because the best qbs in the game are destroying zone coverages. You won't fool them with a blitz, and if you're playing zone with a free release, qbs don't have their timing disrupted. I would rather get beat by a pick or two than repeatedly let Peyton's receivers get a free release. Given how often they run the pick play, obviously other defenses think the same. only a few NFL teams play man/press base.

Again, we have to stop acting like there is a magic bullet for beating Peyton except for weather and Peyton beating himself. Zone, blitz, man... He's going to beat you often.

no, no they don't. the most successful defenses against SD & Denver play a lot of zone. Every team plays some zone and I don't know why you think the majority of NFL teams play man -- the majority of NFL teams are zone cover teams because there just isn't enough Revis/Sherman type players to go around.

as for disrupting the QB -- zone cover can certainly do so. in fact, there are a lot of coverage sacks created by zone defense.

the advantage to playing zone against Denver is that you have a much better chance of tackling a receiver for minimal YAC using players that aren't good enough to play press.

The Chiefs lost 27 - 17 last time. two of the TD's thrown by Manning could have been stopped for minimal gains had they played zone.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

no, no they don't. the most successful defenses against SD & Denver play a lot of zone. Every team plays some zone and I don't know why you think the majority of NFL teams play man -- the majority of NFL teams are zone cover teams because there just isn't enough Revis/Sherman type players to go around.

as for disrupting the QB -- zone cover can certainly do so. in fact, there are a lot of coverage sacks created by zone defense.

the advantage to playing zone against Denver is that you have a much better chance of tackling a receiver for minimal YAC using players that aren't good enough to play press.

The Chiefs lost 27 - 17 last time. two of the TD's thrown by Manning could have been stopped for minimal gains had they played zone.

The majority of teams are playing heavy man against Peyton. Or at least pressing the hell out of receivers.

The chiefs were actually excellent against Denver at containing yac. They stopped several plays short with an excellent tackle before the chains. I thought the help defense was excellent for the most part at containing the long play.

The chiefs gave up 2 Tds. One was on a blown coverage which is more due to coopers inexperience than it was talent. Again, if we are talking about Peyton manning and getting upset over a handful of plays... Good. It's Peyton manning. We have a lot less plays to complain about than most defenses do. If we play zone, who's to say Peyton doesn't pick us apart? Given that most coordinators are pressing Peyton's receivers and that every single person from the New England tree says that's the formula to success, the best way is still to disrupt timing of his receivers. You just can't let Peyton's receivers get a free release.

Peyton will pick apart a zone. We will be fine in man. It's not scheme, we just need our corners to play more consistent, especially cooper.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The majority of teams are playing heavy man against Peyton. Or at least pressing the hell out of receivers.

The chiefs were actually excellent against Denver at containing yac. They stopped several plays short with an excellent tackle before the chains. I thought the help defense was excellent for the most part at containing the long play.

The chiefs gave up 2 Tds. One was on a blown coverage which is more due to coopers inexperience than it was talent. Again, if we are talking about Peyton manning and getting upset over a handful of plays... Good. It's Peyton manning. We have a lot less plays to complain about than most defenses do. If we play zone, who's to say Peyton doesn't pick us apart? Given that most coordinators are pressing Peyton's receivers and that every single person from the New England tree says that's the formula to success, the best way is still to disrupt timing of his receivers. You just can't let Peyton's receivers get a free release.

Peyton will pick apart a zone. We will be fine in man. It's not scheme, we just need our corners to play more consistent, especially cooper.

The last 2 weeks we've been giving up gobs of yac. When you play press man with a single high safety, it happens but we need to tackle better.

I think you can play zone against manning, but you have to be disciplined in doing it an get a rush with 4.

I dunno if we can do either