Star Wars post Skywalker

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Jamie

I'm talking getting people to turn out for the movies. In that sense "skippable" is a synonym for "I'll wait for streaming".

You don't seem to understand new media

Originally Posted by Jamie

Doesn't this support my point? New characters, new stories. I'm not saying to avoid in-between time periods, it's to avoid in-between stories. Like if the show had been about what Boba Fett was doing between Empire and Jedi, that would have been a bad idea. Because we know whatever it is, that sarlacc pit is waiting for him.

No, it doesn't. The Clone Wars series had a huge audience and we "knew" what happened to Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc. It was so popular, in fact, that Season 7 of The Clone Wars is set to air later this year, eight years after Disney initially cancelled it.

Originally Posted by Jamie

Cool. I bet you people will be less into the Cassian Andor show than they are the Mandalorian.

So, you can see the future, eh? If so, you're in the wrong business, whatever that may be.

Originally Posted by Jamie

I guess if you say so. Even if that's true, the hardcore fanbase isn't going to get you to $2 billion at the box office. The TV stuff is great, but that's not why Disney bought Star Wars.

Good grief. Disney paid $4 Billion for Star Wars and they made their money back (and more) after the release of TFA, R1 and TLJ.

That's not to mention video games, merch and of course, Theme Parks. I'm guessing you haven't been to Disneyland or Disney World since Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opened last year but the lines are outrageously long and Fast Passes aren't allowed.

And this was before the latest ride, Rise of the Resistance, opened at either park.

I'm not trying to be rude but you have absolutely no idea "why" Disney purchased Star Wars.

Originally Posted by Jamie

Also I want to point out, I said 100-200 years. So Chewie, the droids, and the Millennium Falcon are all still on the table.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when referring to this quote.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You don't seem to understand new media

I understand there are multiple revenue streams for a property like Star Wars, but I think the theatrical films are still the most important piece. They're the thing that dictates where the franchise is going. You can do whatever TV shoes, but to me, when you ask what the future of Star Wars is, you're asking where they're going with the movies. To put it another way, do you really believe Disney is content to not make theatrical Star Wars movies anymore?

No, it doesn't. The Clone Wars series had a huge audience

Citation needed. And what is "huge" specifically? I would guess more people have seen Solo than have watched The Clone Wars.

and we "knew" what happened to Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc. It was so popular, in fact, that Season 7 of The Clone Wars is set to air later this year, eight years after Disney initially cancelled it.

So it was so popular Disney cancelled it before it was finished? (Before you explain to me the circumstances of the cancellation of Clone Wars, I'm being facetious)

So, you can see the future, eh? If so, you're in the wrong business, whatever that may be.

Yes, how ridiculous of me to make a prediction about the future of Star Wars, in this thread about the future of Star Wars.

Good grief. Disney paid $4 Billion for Star Wars and they made their money back (and more) after the release of TFA, R1 and TLJ.

I guess I missed where Disney told their shareholders that they've made enough money on Star Wars.

That's not to mention video games, merch and of course, Theme Parks. I'm guessing you haven't been to Disneyland or Disney World since Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opened last year but the lines are outrageously long and Fast Passes aren't allowed.

And this was before the latest ride, Rise of the Resistance, opened at either park.

So I guess I didn't read all those stories about disappointing attendance at Galaxy's Edge? I was going to link some, but you can just google "Galaxy's Edge attendance" and click literally any link that comes up.

I'm not trying to be rude but you have absolutely no idea "why" Disney purchased Star Wars.

I mean, I imagine it has to do with making money.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

RoS won't likely top TLJ but that doesn't make it "Loser" in the eyes of the studio and regardless of what the internet thinks, topping $1 Billion at the box office is amazing and somewhat rare, even when factoring in today's inflation.

But it was a disaster for Disney when TLJ didn't make as much as TFA?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Jamie

I understand there are multiple revenue streams for a property like Star Wars, but I think the theatrical films are still the most important piece. They're the thing that dictates where the franchise is going. You can do whatever TV shoes, but to me, when you ask what the future of Star Wars is, you're asking where they're going with the movies. To put it another way, do you really believe Disney is content to not make theatrical Star Wars movies anymore?


Citation needed. And what is "huge" specifically? I would guess more people have seen Solo than have watched The Clone Wars.



So it was so popular Disney cancelled it before it was finished? (Before you explain to me the circumstances of the cancellation of Clone Wars, I'm being facetious)


Yes, how ridiculous of me to make a prediction about the future of Star Wars, in this thread about the future of Star Wars.



I guess I missed where Disney told their shareholders that they've made enough money on Star Wars.



So I guess I didn't read all those stories about disappointing attendance at Galaxy's Edge? I was going to link some, but you can just google "Galaxy's Edge attendance" and click literally any link that comes up.


I mean, I imagine it has to do with making money.



But it was a disaster for Disney when TLJ didn't make as much as TFA?

This is EXACTLY why I haven’t posted in the Lounge.

I don’t have time for this Tit-For-Tat horsehit and I’m not going to continue correcting all of your nonsense.

Good day.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Jamie

I understand there are multiple revenue streams for a property like Star Wars. But I think the theatrical films are still the most important piece. They're the thing that dictates where the franchise is going.

It's not "just" about the movies, it's about the entire IP, from video games to merch to theme parks to animated series to Live Action series to yes, feature films.

Disney spent more than $1 BILLION on Galaxy's Edge in Orlando and Anaheim, which basically equals the cost of three Feature Films.

They've invested in three new Live Action TV series and the 7th season of their extremely popular animated series, The Clone Wars. There's at least one more Live Action series in development along with another animated series.

Originally Posted by Jamie

You can do whatever TV shoes, but to me, when you ask what the future of Star Wars is, you're asking where they're going with the movies. To put it another way, do you really believe Disney is content to not make theatrical Star Wars movies anymore?

They cleared the slate after the issues with RoS. Fired Benioff & Weiss. Brought in screenwriters from all over Hollywood and everyone's rejected them to date.

Maybe this report about the High Republic becomes true but if so, the deal happened the last two weeks of December, which would be unusual, to say the least.

It's not just about the feature films any longer. TV, comics, books video games - those are the key to future theatrical success.

People aren't going to just show up because the words Star Wars are on the marquee.

Originally Posted by Jamie

Citation needed. And what is "huge" specifically? I would guess more people have seen Solo than have watched The Clone Wars. So it was so popular Disney cancelled it before it was finished? (Before you explain to me the circumstances of the cancellation of Clone Wars, I'm being facetious)

Disney's FIRST MOVE was to obliterate the entire Expanded Universe from Star Wars history. Games, books and comics were immediately labeled as "Legends" and Star Wars: The Clone Wars series was cancelled.

Now, 8 years later, Season 7 will premiere later this year. Considering that The Clone Wars series aired on the Cartoon Network for 5 years, then Netflix for the following seven years (and The Disney Channel from time to time) before being pulled in April 2019 ahead of the launch of Disney+, I'm pretty certain that it's been seen by more people than saw Solo.

Originally Posted by Jamie

Yes, how ridiculous of me to make a prediction about the future of Star Wars, in this thread about the future of Star Wars.

This isn't a "prediction" thread.

It's a thread based off of a well-known Star Wars "insider" in Jason Ward, who lives in Long Beach, CA and has provided real insider scoops the past several years.

Originally Posted by Jamie

I guess I missed where Disney told their shareholders that they've made enough money on Star Wars.

Good grief. Disney crossed the $7 BILLION dollar mark from their feature films in 2019, something no studio had ever crossed.

No one is fretting over Disney's profits.

Originally Posted by Jamie

So I guess I didn't read all those stories about disappointing attendance at Galaxy's Edge? I was going to link some, but you can just google "Galaxy's Edge attendance" and click literally any link that comes up.

And there it is: I was absolutely correct in that you hadn't been to Orlando or Anaheim and waited in line for The Millennium Falcon Ride or been to Galaxy's Edge.

We're Disney Annual Passholders. We've been multiple times since Galaxy's Edge opened and despite those "reports", the lines have been atrocious. As a family, we've waited as long as 2.5 hours to ride the Falcon.

We entered the park at 8am one late September morning and I went directly to the Falcon while everyone else went to Pixar Pier. The Single Rider line was 45 minutes long by 8:30 am and by 10am, it was 90 minutes.

Disney doesn't issue Fast Passes for Galaxy's Edge although you can make a reservation for the Cantina. But, if you don't make it before 9am, forget about getting in that day because people will wait in line for 6 hours or more just to get in.

Originally Posted by Jamie

But it was a disaster for Disney when TLJ didn't make as much as TFA?

For whom? Media outlets? Dopey internet writers?

TFA more than doubled what Disney initially expected from Episode VII, as did Rogue One. TLJ still made a massive amount of money although Solo barely broke even at the box office (but has done well on Blu Ray/Digital/Streaming).

Disney re-adjusted their earnings expectations in the mean time and they're more concerned about the future of their IP than making a quick buck at this point in time.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's not "just" about the movies, it's about the entire IP, from video games to merch to theme parks to animated series to Live Action series to yes, feature films.

Disney spent more than $1 BILLION on Galaxy's Edge in Orlando and Anaheim, which basically equals the cost of three Feature Films.

They've invested in three new Live Action TV series and the 7th season of their extremely popular animated series, The Clone Wars. There's at least one more Live Action series in development along with another animated series.

I didn't say it was just about the movies (and I don't know why you put 'just' in quotes like you were quoting me, but whatever). All of those things are valid and are important, but the movies are still the most important piece. That may change someday, but it hasn't yet.

They cleared the slate after the issues with RoS. Fired Benioff & Weiss. Brought in screenwriters from all over Hollywood and everyone's rejected them to date.

Maybe this report about the High Republic becomes true but if so, the deal happened the last two weeks of December, which would be unusual, to say the least.

It's not just about the feature films any longer. TV, comics, books video games - those are the key to future theatrical success.

People aren't going to just show up because the words Star Wars are on the marquee.

This doesn't respond to the question it's in reply to, and is mostly just filler information I never disagreed with.

Disney's FIRST MOVE was to obliterate the entire Expanded Universe from Star Wars history. Games, books and comics were immediately labeled as "Legends" and Star Wars: The Clone Wars series was cancelled.

Yes, like I said, I know why The Clone Wars was cancelled.

Now, 8 years later, Season 7 will premiere later this year. Considering that The Clone Wars series aired on the Cartoon Network for 5 years, then Netflix for the following seven years (and The Disney Channel from time to time) before being pulled in April 2019 ahead of the launch of Disney+, I'm pretty certain that it's been seen by more people than saw Solo.

Solo made $213 million domestically, and the average movie ticket price in 2018 was about $9, which means about 23.5 million people saw Solo in the theater. And that's not counting international and streaming, where, according to you, it's done very well. I don't know how many people watched The Clone Wars, but if it was 23.5 million it would have been the #1 show on TV by a mile. Or to put it another way, do you think there's anyone who watched Clone Wars and didn't see Solo? And before you try to add the all the episodes together, that's not more people, it's the same people watching multiple times. Which goes to my point, TV can cater to the hardcores in a way that a movie can't. It doesn't have to cast as wide of a net.

Good grief. Disney crossed the $7 BILLION dollar mark from their feature films in 2019, something no studio had ever crossed.

No one is fretting over Disney's profits.

I didn't say anyone was fretting. What I was saying was, the fact they've made their money back doesn't mean they're content to stop making theatrical Star Wars movies.

And there it is: I was absolutely correct in that you hadn't been to Orlando or Anaheim and waited in line for The Millennium Falcon Ride or been to Galaxy's Edge.

We're Disney Annual Passholders. We've been multiple times since Galaxy's Edge opened and despite those "reports", the lines have been atrocious. As a family, we've waited as long as 2.5 hours to ride the Falcon.

We entered the park at 8am one late September morning and I went directly to the Falcon while everyone else went to Pixar Pier. The Single Rider line was 45 minutes long by 8:30 am and by 10am, it was 90 minutes.

Disney doesn't issue Fast Passes for Galaxy's Edge although you can make a reservation for the Cantina. But, if you don't make it before 9am, forget about getting in that day because people will wait in line for 6 hours or more just to get in.

I mean, Bob Iger admitted that attendance was below expectations, but I guess if you waited in line he must be mistaken.

For whom? Media outlets? Dopey internet writers?

TFA more than doubled what Disney initially expected from Episode VII, as did Rogue One. TLJ still made a massive amount of money although Solo barely broke even at the box office (but has done well on Blu Ray/Digital/Streaming).

Disney re-adjusted their earnings expectations in the mean time and they're more concerned about the future of their IP than making a quick buck at this point in time.

For you. That was a link to a post you made after TLJ came out insisting that TLJ's performance was disastrous for Disney.

[LuchyGames]

Originally Posted by Jamie

I didn't say it was just about the movies (and I don't know why you put 'just' in quotes like you were quoting me, but whatever). All of those things are valid and are important, but the movies are still the most important piece. That may change someday, but it hasn't yet.


This doesn't respond to the question it's in reply to, and is mostly just filler information I never disagreed with.


Yes, like I said, I know why The Clone Wars was cancelled.



Solo made $213 million domestically, and the average movie ticket price in 2018 was about $9, which means about 23.5 million people saw Solo in the theater. And that's not counting international and streaming, where, according to you, it's done very well. I don't know how many people watched The Clone Wars, but if it was 23.5 million it would have been the #1 show on TV by a mile. Or to put it another way, do you think there's anyone who watched Clone Wars and didn't see Solo? And before you try to add the all the episodes together, that's not more people, it's the same people watching multiple times. Which goes to my point, TV can cater to the hardcores in a way that a movie can't. It doesn't have to cast as wide of a net.



I didn't say anyone was fretting. What I was saying was, the fact they've made their money back doesn't mean they're content to stop making theatrical Star Wars movies.



I mean, Bob Iger admitted that attendance was below expectations, but I guess if you waited in line he must be mistaken.



For you. That was a link to a post you made after TLJ came out insisting that TLJ's performance was disastrous for Disney.

IF the Boxoffice Mojo numbers are correct, today is the day where domestic box for IX fell to more than $100m less than VIII on a same-day box office count.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by LuchyGames

IF the Boxoffice Mojo numbers are correct, today is the day where domestic box for IX fell to more than $100m less than VIII on a same-day box office count.

It's also $15m behind Rogue One, and falling further behind each day.