***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Coronavirus Survivors' Blood Can Help Critically Ill COVID-19 Patients, Scientists Confirm

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...f=bftwbuzzfeed

?

Hasn't this been known since April..?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't disagree Pete but you could run the % for any of the major diseases and it would look small % wise. Right now in the US Covid is #3 killer behind heart disease and all cancers combined.

Yeah, that's the key. Very few people die each year (for any reason). So does that mean that we shouldn't bother improving highway and vehicle safety, policing DUIs, researching cures and treatments for heart disease and cancer, etc.?

[stumppy]

This should work out just fine.

https://rallysturgis.com/

80TH ANNIVERSARY
August 07-16, 2020
Celebrating 80 years of the world's largest biker party on the planet! Check out our list of rally Concerts and Events, or take a look at some of the Sturgis Webcams or the ride maps throughout the Black Hills. And if you need a place to stay for the rally, look no further!


Nothing like 100,000 people from all over the country getting together for a week of partying.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stumppy

This should work out just fine.

https://rallysturgis.com/

80TH ANNIVERSARY
August 07-16, 2020
Celebrating 80 years of the world's largest biker party on the planet! Check out our list of rally Concerts and Events, or take a look at some of the Sturgis Webcams or the ride maps throughout the Black Hills. And if you need a place to stay for the rally, look no further!


Nothing like 100,000 people from all over the country getting together for a week of partying.

Kind of like the protests, it should be another interesting case study. A lot (but not all) of Sturgis is outside, so that will help some. A lot of attendees won't be in the best shape, which makes it a bit more risky. On the other hand, they almost certainly over-index on smoking, which is one of those weird things that seems to reduce COVID risk.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by stumppy

This should work out just fine.

https://rallysturgis.com/

80TH ANNIVERSARY
August 07-16, 2020
Celebrating 80 years of the world's largest biker party on the planet! Check out our list of rally Concerts and Events, or take a look at some of the Sturgis Webcams or the ride maps throughout the Black Hills. And if you need a place to stay for the rally, look no further!


Nothing like 100,000 people from all over the country getting together for a week of partying.

Don't go.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Kind of like the protests, it should be another interesting case study. A lot (but not all) of Sturgis is outside, so that will help some. A lot of attendees won't be in the best shape, which makes it a bit more risky. On the other hand, they almost certainly over-index on smoking, which is one of those weird things that seems to reduce COVID risk.

If I recall it's nicotine replacement usage, not necessarily all nicotine usage.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Don't go.

Sure. It's not like this thing is contagious, or anything.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't disagree Pete but you could run the % for any of the major diseases and it would look small % wise. Right now in the US Covid is #3 killer behind heart disease and all cancers combined.

Again you are doing exactly what I said people do. You have to keep both perspectives. Yes it is the #3 killer. And it has killed <.004% of our population.

Those are the facts. That's not a matter of opinion. We have to curb this thing but we cannot also act like it is wiping out half of our population either.

That does not mean we ignore it or open wide up or anything like that. But again, we cannot pretend it is worse than it is. And it is bad, don't get me wrong.

[Donger]

Wiping out half the population of the country? I've not seen anyone even remotely saying that was even a possibility.

1,000,000 to 2,000,000 dead yes. That's .3% and .6% of our population.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Again you are doing exactly what I said people do. You have to keep both perspectives. Yes it is the #3 killer. And it has killed <.004% of our population.

Those are the facts. That's not a matter of opinion. We have to curb this thing but we cannot also act like it is wiping out half of our population either.

That does not mean we ignore it or open wide up or anything like that. But again, we cannot pretend it is worse than it is. And it is bad, don't get me wrong.

.05%

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jd1020

.05%

Yes, .04 .05, whatever....I got happy with my 0's.....sue me

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, .04 .05, whatever....I got happy with my 0's.....sue me

I was just making sure you had your facts right, considering you were claiming what you said as fact. And assuming you meant to type .04, the actual % of .049 is hardly less than .04.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I was just making sure you had your facts right, considering you were claiming what you said as fact. And assuming you meant to type .04, the actual % of .049 is hardly less than .04.

Err muh gerd...okay..thank you

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Err muh gerd...okay..thank you

Your welcome.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yeah, that's the key. Very few people die each year (for any reason). So does that mean that we shouldn't bother improving highway and vehicle safety, policing DUIs, researching cures and treatments for heart disease and cancer, etc.?

Yep but Marcellus argument will be well we shouldn't shut down anything because we don't for heart disease or cancer. He is very transparent with his posts.