***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I tend to agree, and the people in question were all symptomatic, 3 of the 4 pretty seriously the first time.

Just making the point that there are/will be people who use prior infection as an excuse to not vaccinate.

The real question is whether they actually had COVID on the second go round.

Studies show prior infection is as good as vaccination for immunity.

Obviously outliers exist for natural immunity, but we are seeing plenty of those with the vaccines as well.

[chinaski]

Friend of a friend that was fully vaccinated died a few days ago from Covid. Not sure how old, but I think late 40's early 50's. I'm not sure if she had any pre-existing issues, but she was overweight.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Friend of a friend that was fully vaccinated died a few days ago from Covid. Not sure how old, but I think late 40's early 50's. I'm not sure if she had any pre-existing issues, but she was overweight.

Sorry to hear that.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Friend of a friend that was fully vaccinated died a few days ago from Covid. Not sure how old, but I think late 40's early 50's. I'm not sure if she had any pre-existing issues, but she was overweight.

The underlined is a pre-existing issue.

Sorry your friend lost their friend.

[suzzer99]

Some background. As @kristenvbrown (rightly!) notes in this piece, many see Andrew Wakefield & colleagues' retracted 1998 Lancet study ("AW98") -- and media attention to it -- as a central force in inspiring modern-day vaccine hesitancy in the US. https://t.co/iZIoHC53TK

— Matt Motta (@matt_motta) August 19, 2021

Andrew Wakefield -- a disgraced anti-vaxxer who helped catalyze the anti-vaccination movement due to discredited work suggesting a link between vaccines and autism -- went on QAnon show "MG Show" over the weekend to attack vaccines. Wakefield also said part of the QAnon slogan. pic.twitter.com/HNTNo1QgdX

— Alex Kaplan (@AlKapDC) July 19, 2021

Can't trust all the world's stop virologists and epidemiologists. But this guy seems legit.

[carlos3652]

Just an FYI - Delays in approving Shot for kids

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...e-myocarditis/

"U.S. review of possible link between Moderna vaccine and uncommon side effect delays adolescent approval

Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine for adolescents has yet to be authorized by federal health officials in part because they are investigating emerging reports that the shots may be associated with a higher risk of a heart condition in younger adults than previously believed, according to two people familiar with the review who emphasized the side effect still probably remains very uncommon.

The investigation, which involves the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is focusing on Canadian data that suggests the Moderna vaccine may carry a higher risk of myocarditis for young people than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, especially for males below the age of 30 or so. The authorities also are scrutinizing data from the United States to try to determine whether there is evidence of an increased risk from Moderna in the U.S. population for the condition, which causes inflammation of the heart."

Bolded the part before people say the "Vaccine is not Safe" but wanted to share this article because of its importance in understanding risks, especially of younger age groups which are also a a lower risk from Covid issues (than older people)

[carlos3652]

Removed by me as unsure if it was disinformation.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

New concerning results, Israel 2021 (Prof. Retsef Levi)
MDA Emergency calls:
25% increase in Cardiac arrests & Heart attacks (16-29).
83.6% increase in Heart attacks (Women 20-29).
According to the study, this increase was correlated with Mass vaccination.https://t.co/SWVbjJUSnw https://t.co/ezQp0UJia2 pic.twitter.com/aQrGZVlw96

— Ran Israeli (@RanIsraeli) August 10, 2021

This is also interesting....

Although, I think Covid might be causing more Obesity to flair up also... as in people are not taking care of themselves during the epidemic / pandemic.

Im not going to point at the vaccines being the problem, but people being less active.

This is disinformation

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

This is disinformation

Time out.

Ill stop posting this if true.

So you are saying that the data showing more cardiac deaths is wrong? I am not attributing the vaccines to this issue... Im attributing lack of physical activity.

[carlos3652]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=48d8ad2c584f

Pfizer Shot Just 39% Effective Against Delta Infection, But Largely Prevents Severe Illness, Israel Study Suggests

I think this is why they are needing shot #3. They want them to be more effective vs the delta variant.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=48d8ad2c584f

Pfizer Shot Just 39% Effective Against Delta Infection, But Largely Prevents Severe Illness, Israel Study Suggests

I think this is why they are needing shot #3. They want them to be more effective vs the delta variant.

This was discussed above . . .

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Time out.

Ill stop posting this if true.

So you are saying that the data showing more cardiac deaths is wrong? I am not attributing the vaccines to this issue... Im attributing lack of physical activity.

No clue if there's something else wrong with that data that I don't know about (haven't looked into it), but people are also stressed the **** out.

[Lprechaun]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No clue if there's something else wrong with that data that I don't know about (haven't looked into it), but people are also stressed the **** out.

On the radio here they use the line "tensions are high" a lot.
I personally got to work thru the whole lockdown phase but my wife had a few weeks off and just that short time drove her nuts. It has to be messing with people far beyond just the virus. It's certainly sad. Probably a good time to get that psychology certification.

[dirk digler]

Let the mandates begin

Full FDA approval of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is reportedly coming within days.

The New York Times reported Friday that the Food and Drug Administration “is pushing to approve Pfizer-BioNTech’s two-dose Covid-19 vaccine on Monday.”

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Let the mandates begin

Wonder if companies will start doing it