***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Can you explain why you're scared of virtually non-existent serious side-effects?

I posted "Please do" how do you equate that with being scared?

Please explain why you are such a dickhead to anyone that would like to hear All the facts before they put their health at risk one way or the other?

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Good thing you and your boyfriend Pitt are here to jump on anyone that asks questions. ****ing Covid Nazis.

You can call me hitler if it would get more people the vaccine so that life for my kids can get back to normal. That's all I want, is for them to not deal with this shit. It's why I got the jab so early when it was offered. I'd take a 100 jabs and "die in two years" if it meant better things for them.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

You can call me hitler if it would get more people the vaccine so that life for my kids can get back to normal. That's all I want, is for them to not deal with this shit. It's why I got the jab so early when it was offered. I'd take a 100 jabs and "die in two years" if it meant better things for them.

There's a very, very good reason why the people telling you to "get the jab" are not trusted.

See how constant lying and "rules for thee but not for me" come back to haunt?

The parable 'Boy Who Cried Wolf" comes to mind.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

You can call me hitler if it would get more people the vaccine so that life for my kids can get back to normal. That's all I want, is for them to not deal with this shit. It's why I got the jab so early when it was offered. I'd take a 100 jabs and "die in two years" if it meant better things for them.

That is great you had good intentions doing it for your kids, but that does not give you moral high ground to be an asshole to others that want the same thing for their own families. Some want to learn all available facts before they make a potentially life-changing decision, they don't need to deal with a bunch of trolls in the process.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

That is great you had good intentions doing it for your kids, but that does not give you moral high ground to be an asshole to others that want the same thing for their own families. Some want to learn all available facts before they make a potentially life-changing decision, they don't need to deal with a bunch of trolls in the process.

The fact is the COVID vaccines are safer than COVID , the data is there you just chose to ignore it.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The fact is the COVID vaccines are safer than COVID , the data is there you just chose to ignore it.

I'm pro-vax, but your statement isn't accurate when it comes to kids. At least up to now anyway. Delta may be changing that. I won't be vaxxing either of my kids, only one is currently eligible, as they are both very healthy and height weight proportionate, unless more data comes out that Delta is actually effecting healthy kids. Each kid I see on TV that died is still a huge fatty.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Otter

There's a very, very good reason why the people telling you to "get the jab" are not trusted.

See how constant lying and "rules for thee but not for me" come back to haunt?

The parable 'Boy Who Cried Wolf" comes to mind.

Oh horse crap man. The shot is safe and every adult should get it.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I posted "Please do" how do you equate that with being scared?

Please explain why you are such a dickhead to anyone that would like to hear All the facts before they put their health at risk one way or the other?

In all seriousness, what are you waiting to hear? There are some very rare side effects, most of which aren't going to be an issue unless you are allergic to the shot. In which case you might just get the J&J shot and stay for monitoring in case of an adverse reaction so they can give you a shot to fix that.

Delta is harming younger and healthier people. That is an actual fact.

Unless you've had COVID, you should really consider delving a bit deeper into the statistics on side effects, what they really are, and how likely you might be to suffer them. You may find that the risk you take driving your car each day is higher than the risk of adverse side effects from the vaccine.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

Saw the hospitalizations for 30-50 year olds are almost double what they have been for covid in their release tosay.

The percentages are meaningless honestly. Talking in specifics would be better. It's up, Delta is a bitch for sure. It's like talking a about kids getting admitted and saying it's up 185% or whatever number they threw out on the news last night. Kids being admitted was incredibly rare, so going from 1 to 3 is a 300% increase. It just isn't significant though in reality unless context of just how many kids were infected, health of the kids, etc.

Omitting facts is wrong and opens up avenues for the deniers to say they are getting lied to about COVID.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

No. Ideally, you'd start the treatment after early symptoms in an outpatient setting. And it's dirt cheap.

As for the vaccines, I could drop some bombshells substantiated by documented evidence, but it's a lost cause.

Because your "documented evidence" is hearsay? Our media LOVES to spread bad news. They'd be ALL over it if anything was there to report. People locked down and scared drives their ratings through the roof and profit follows.

Which reminds me, I finally saw an actual segment on the nightly national news last night about the findings that immunity from actual COVID infection is better than the immunity provided by vaccination.

So I'll say again, if you've had COVID, don't worry about getting vaxxed. If you haven't, get vaccinated. Don't be the asshole who's body generates the next variant that escapes existing immunity.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

I'm pro-vax, but your statement isn't accurate when it comes to kids. At least up to now anyway. Delta may be changing that. I won't be vaxxing either of my kids, only one is currently eligible, as they are both very healthy and height weight proportionate, unless more data comes out that Delta is actually effecting healthy kids. Each kid I see on TV that died is still a huge fatty.

Even though the gap might not be as large i still think the vaccine is safer than getting COVID in high school aged kids anyways , we chose to vaccinate our kids 14/16 even though they are healthy/athletic and have only mild asthma.
We vaccinate for chicken pox even though that has a very low fatality/severe illness rate although i am not sure how it compares to COVID

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The fact is the COVID vaccines are safer than COVID , the data is there you just chose to ignore it.

More condescending nonsense. You have no idea my situation or what I have been studying as far as the Vax. I am bombarded with opinions every day whether I want them or not. Most are ignorant suppositions like yours. Others are from Vax shamers like Pitt and Beauford who think they have some higher ground to be assholes to people with different opinions or ask questions.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

That is great you had good intentions doing it for your kids, but that does not give you moral high ground to be an asshole to others that want the same thing for their own families. Some want to learn all available facts before they make a potentially life-changing decision, they don't need to deal with a bunch of trolls in the process.

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Good thing you and your boyfriend Pitt are here to jump on anyone that asks questions. ****ing Covid Nazis.

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Clearly you are the smartest person in the entire world and have it all figured out. It must be amazing to have your supreme intelligence while sitting back and laughing at people dying. I am surprised that you didn't invent your own vaccine since you are an expert. Congrats!!

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Thanks for chiming in, but your opinion was not asked for or meaningful.

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[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

In all seriousness, what are you waiting to hear? There are some very rare side effects, most of which aren't going to be an issue unless you are allergic to the shot. In which case you might just get the J&J shot and stay for monitoring in case of an adverse reaction so they can give you a shot to fix that.

Delta is harming younger and healthier people. That is an actual fact.

Unless you've had COVID, you should really consider delving a bit deeper into the statistics on side effects, what they really are, and how likely you might be to suffer them. You may find that the risk you take driving your car each day is higher than the risk of adverse side effects from the vaccine.

Very helpful, thank you. Yep, I was just reading about this and I appreciate the confirmation. Allergic reaction is one of my biggest concerns. I have a long history of horrible reactions, especially to the Flu shot. I am also allergic to Penicillin, which hopefully should not be a problem with the Vax.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Very helpful, thank you. Yep, I was just reading about this and I appreciate the confirmation. Allergic reaction is one of my biggest concerns. I have a long history of horrible reactions, especially to the Flu shot. I am also allergic to Penicillin, which hopefully should not be a problem with the Vax.

Have you asked your doctor their thoughts to your situation?

My aunt has bad reactions to virtually everything and seems to be sick or in pain or on meds all the time. Her doctor recommended the shot cause of her age/weight but said it was up to her if she was worried about a reaction. He basically told her to mask up if she didn't get it. She did, she felt a little tired but no issues on both Pfizer shots. I was shocked. She's been fine and any of her current issues haven't escalated. My best friend has a history of allergic reactions and severe allergies, no issues.