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Old 09-15-2019, 02:33 PM  
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Frank Clark ****ing sucks
Guy has done NOTHING in two games. Barely any pressures to speak of against trash OTs.

Yeah, I'm in bitchy gameday mode. Don't care. I'm tired of paying out the ass for defensive players who don't make plays.

At least Justin Houston could dominate against bad teams after we paid him.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:12 PM   #1096
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I don’t even care about letting Houston go. He won’t play that hard again for the rest of his life.

But Clark isn’t earning his keep. That’s the issue.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:13 PM   #1097
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Couldn't really be much worse either. We'd also have had a 1st Rd pick and a 2nd next year.

Edit- forgot about 49er 2nd rd
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But we got worse without them. The pass rushing and run defense has been WORSE this year.

Ford\Houston was on the field when the Titans ran it down our throats in the playoffs and we don't need to relive the AFC championship game. Once again though I am not defending Clark just this narrative that Houston\Ford are substantially better. They aren't and we witnessed that over a few seasons.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:14 PM   #1098
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:14 PM   #1099
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Starting to wonder if he is the classic let down player who got paid and is fine with it. He was awesome in a contract year last year.

Makes me worried about paying Jones or Ogbah
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:15 PM   #1100
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Ford\Houston was on the field when the Titans ran it down our throats in the playoffs and we don't need to relive the AFC championship game. Once again though I am not defending Clark just this narrative that Houston\Ford are substantially better. They aren't and we witnessed that over a few seasons.
I'm confused. Do you not see teams STILL running down our throats this season? The run defense has gotten WORSE this year. At least with Ford and Houston the trade off was good/elite pass rush. We don't even have that anymore. You'd have a point if our run defense had improved but it hasn't.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:26 PM   #1101
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I'm confused. Do you not see teams STILL running down our throats this season? The run defense has gotten WORSE this year. At least with Ford and Houston the trade off was good/elite pass rush. We don't even have that anymore. You'd have a point if our run defense had improved but it hasn't.

Clark was good pass rusher in Seattle so I am sure they were hoping they wouldn't lose that much but gain significantly in the run game. So far that hasn't happened obviously. I am wondering if they shouldn't have instead went and got Clowney, would have cost alot less for sure.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:30 PM   #1102
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It's too bad that Dee Ford had that penalty that made him unkeepable cause if even rather have him than Clark right now. I'd the run defense is going to be trash either way at least Ford can rush the later and we would still have a 1st and 2nd round pick.
Agreed. Put ford in most of the time, take him out when you dont want a bone headed mistake. Still produces more than Francis clark.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:32 PM   #1103
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I really payed attention to Clark this game......blows my mind how off the snap, he makes contact with the lineman, and then stands there.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:57 PM   #1104
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Clark was good pass rusher in Seattle so I am sure they were hoping they wouldn't lose that much but gain significantly in the run game. So far that hasn't happened obviously. I am wondering if they shouldn't have instead went and got Clowney, would have cost alot less for sure.
I dont understand this Frank Clark is some elite run stopper. His last 3 seasons with the Seahawks he had 41, 32, 47 tackles in 18,17,16. Take a look at the elite run stoppers, they will have a high number of tackles. Houston in his prime was a damn good run stopper and had 55-70 tackles a season. We got FC to rush the passer. You don't pay DEs in a 4-3 to stop the run.
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:00 PM   #1105
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I really payed attention to Clark this game......blows my mind how off the snap, he makes contact with the lineman, and then stands there.
Yeah he’s not good. He was probably a product of a really good defensive system in Seattle.
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Agreed. Put ford in most of the time, take him out when you dont want a bone headed mistake. Still produces more than Francis clark.
So basically, you never play him.
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Veach ****ed up with Houston. That's clear.
Disagree. Should have spent the Clark money on the offensive line.
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:18 PM   #1108
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Disagree. Should have spent the Clark money on the offensive line.
The money and the 1st and 2nd round picks we gave up to acquire him. He hasn't even been close to worth that so far. Seattle made out like bandits on that deal holy shit.
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