Movies and TV Falcon and The Winter Soldier trailer - Page 4

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-22-2021, 10:37 AM

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Well, this is kind of a bummer. From the writer/creator of The Winter Soldier:

And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I'm really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I'm glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I've ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me... but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a "thanks" here or there, and over the years that's become harder and harder to live with. I've even seen higher-ups on the publishing side try to take credit for my work a few times, which was pretty galling (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about Tom Breevort, who was a great editor and really helpful).

So yeah, mixed feeling, and maybe it'll always be like that (but I sure hope not). Work-for-hire work is what it is, and I'm honestly thrilled to have co-created something that's become such a big part of pop culture - or even pop subculture with all the Bucky-Steve slash fiction - and that run on Cap was one of the happiest times of my career, certainly while doing superhero comics. Also, I have a great life as a writer and much of it is because of Cap and the Winter Soldier bringing so many readers to my other work. But I also can't deny feeling a bit sick to my stomach sometimes when my inbox fills up with people wanting comments on the show.

So... I'm sure I'll watch it, and you should too if you're a Marvel movie universe fan, but I'll probably be waiting a while to check it out myself. So please don't email me any spoilers, I guess, but go give Sebastian Stan lots of love wherever he is online.

Jamie · 03-22-2021, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

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Well, this is kind of a bummer. From the writer/creator of The Winter Soldier:

And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I'm really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I'm glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I've ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me... but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a "thanks" here or there, and over the years that's become harder and harder to live with. I've even seen higher-ups on the publishing side try to take credit for my work a few times, which was pretty galling (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about Tom Breevort, who was a great editor and really helpful).

So yeah, mixed feeling, and maybe it'll always be like that (but I sure hope not). Work-for-hire work is what it is, and I'm honestly thrilled to have co-created something that's become such a big part of pop culture - or even pop subculture with all the Bucky-Steve slash fiction - and that run on Cap was one of the happiest times of my career, certainly while doing superhero comics. Also, I have a great life as a writer and much of it is because of Cap and the Winter Soldier bringing so many readers to my other work. But I also can't deny feeling a bit sick to my stomach sometimes when my inbox fills up with people wanting comments on the show.

So... I'm sure I'll watch it, and you should too if you're a Marvel movie universe fan, but I'll probably be waiting a while to check it out myself. So please don't email me any spoilers, I guess, but go give Sebastian Stan lots of love wherever he is online.

That's sadly not surprising. Comic book creators are not well paid to begin with, and they don't own anything they create. Some creators have been able to get royalties, but who gets them and how much seems inconsistent. And Marvel is actually a lot worse than DC on that front, I remember a few years ago Jim Starlin said he was paid significantly more for a throwaway cameo of KGBeast in Batman v Superman than he was for the appearances of Thanos, Gamora, and Drax (all of whom he created) combined.

Honestly I was surprised to see Brubaker and Epting even got an on-screen credit as the creators of the Winter Soldier, since he was reconceptualization of an existing character.

Deberg_1990 · 03-22-2021, 12:23 PM

Sam did say he has picked up some government contracts. So he’s not completely broke.

Deberg_1990 · 03-22-2021, 04:08 PM

I noticed that

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**Baby Lee** · 03-23-2021, 10:35 AM

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I noticed that

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Wyatt is a cool dude, living his best life. Just had a baby with the stunning Merideth Hagner.

Did you catch Lodge 49?

keg in kc · 03-24-2021, 08:05 PM

First episode didn't do much for me. But neither did the first week of WandaVision. So hopefully it follows a similar trajectory.

They dropped me straight in the action, which I like, but then just spun wheels. I didn't really need an entire hour to establish "here's where they are" at the start a 6-hour miniseries.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-24-2021, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I didn't really need an entire hour to establish "here's where they are" at the start a 6-hour miniseries.

I totally get that. But since all of the TV series and films will be interconnected moving forward, it was best to get that out of the way so they don't need to repeat it in any or all upcoming series or films.

BTW guys, I saw a workout video with Oscaar Isaac training for MoonKnight and I gotta say, I think it's going to be an mindblowingly awesome addition to the MCU.

He's such a great actor and has so much charisma that I could see him as the even cooler Tony Stark at some point soon. I'm not really familiar with the character but from what I've read about him, this series is going to be unreal.

Mosbonian · 03-25-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

First episode didn't do much for me. But neither did the first week of WandaVision. So hopefully it follows a similar trajectory.

They dropped me straight in the action, which I like, but then just spun wheels. I didn't really need an entire hour to establish "here's where they are" at the start a 6-hour miniseries.

I am probably in the minority but WandaVision was good but not great. Much too off the wall at times for me...Paul Bettany and Elizabeth Olsen kept it interesting for me but the whole story just seemed off for me.

I liked the immediate action for FATWS....got me interested right away and i appreciate that. It did kind of drag a little in the back story part but i can live with them trying to establish why he had his angst.

I am reallly happy they are exploring the part where Bucky is dealing with the mental aspect of his prior life as a puppet of HYDRA....gives him something to reconcile with.

I think the relationship between Falcon and Bucky and their interaction will make for great watching.

Deberg_1990 · 03-25-2021, 10:42 AM

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I am probably in the minority but WandaVision was good but not great. Much too off the wall at times for me.

Same for me. I admire marvel for doing something different though.

I just can’t get into Wanda and Visions characters that much.

Bucky and Sam are just more grounded in the real world. So I can get into that more.

Chiefspants · 03-24-2021, 10:27 PM

I’m still baffled how Star Wars had three films with him and found a way to make his character entirely forgettable.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-24-2021, 11:08 PM

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I’m still baffled how Star Wars had three films with him and found a way to make his character entirely forgettable.

It was a three film series with no direction and no story or character arc.

When shooting began, Poe was originally dead in the crash in Jakku. It wasn’t until much later that they decided to bring his character back.

Then, Rian Johnson terribly underused and misused him, followed by JJ deciding to turn him into Han Solo-lite by revealing he’d been a smuggler before joining The Resistance.

I can’t even imagine how frustrating it must have been to deal with that role.

Deberg_1990 · 03-25-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It was a three film series with no direction and no story or character arc.

When shooting began, Poe was originally dead in the crash in Jakku. It wasn’t until much later that they decided to bring his character back.

Then, Rian Johnson terribly underused and misused him, followed by JJ deciding to turn him into Han Solo-lite by revealing he’d been a smuggler before joining The Resistance.

I can’t even imagine how frustrating it must have been to deal with that role.

You could say the same about Finns character as well.

Credit to both Boyega and Issac who are both charismatic enough to make their characters memorable even if the script lets them down.

Deberg_1990 · 03-26-2021, 02:49 PM

Solid 2nd episode.

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**Bowser** · 03-26-2021, 05:16 PM

I enjoyed it, although I will admit that Dane's point about Sam being broke has kind of just gotten in the way of this show being potentially really great. There's no way some Stark Foundation-ish type of setup wouldn't be available to Sam for the rest of his life. But, meh. Still a fun show a couple of episodes in (even if it feels like they have nerfed Bucky to a degree).

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Solid 2nd episode.

Spoiler!

WhawhaWhat · 03-26-2021, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I enjoyed it, although I will admit that Dane's point about Sam being broke has kind of just gotten in the way of this show being potentially really great. There's no way some Stark Foundation-ish type of setup wouldn't be available to Sam for the rest of his life. But, meh. Still a fun show a couple of episodes in (even if it feels like they have nerfed Bucky to a degree).

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03-22-2021, 10:37 AM	#1
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	https://us13.campaign-archive.com/?u...&id=ab914d96ea Well, this is kind of a bummer. From the writer/creator of The Winter Soldier: And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I'm really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I'm glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I've ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me... but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a "thanks" here or there, and over the years that's become harder and harder to live with. I've even seen higher-ups on the publishing side try to take credit for my work a few times, which was pretty galling (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about Tom Breevort, who was a great editor and really helpful). So yeah, mixed feeling, and maybe it'll always be like that (but I sure hope not). Work-for-hire work is what it is, and I'm honestly thrilled to have co-created something that's become such a big part of pop culture - or even pop subculture with all the Bucky-Steve slash fiction - and that run on Cap was one of the happiest times of my career, certainly while doing superhero comics. Also, I have a great life as a writer and much of it is because of Cap and the Winter Soldier bringing so many readers to my other work. But I also can't deny feeling a bit sick to my stomach sometimes when my inbox fills up with people wanting comments on the show. So... I'm sure I'll watch it, and you should too if you're a Marvel movie universe fan, but I'll probably be waiting a while to check it out myself. So please don't email me any spoilers, I guess, but go give Sebastian Stan lots of love wherever he is online.
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03-22-2021, 12:23 PM	#3
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3804454	Sam did say he has picked up some government contracts. So he’s not completely broke. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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03-22-2021, 04:08 PM	#4
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3804454	I noticed that Spoiler! Government appointed Captain America is played by Wyatt Russel, Kurt Russels son. That’s a neat bit of Disney casting. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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03-24-2021, 08:05 PM	#6
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	First episode didn't do much for me. But neither did the first week of WandaVision. So hopefully it follows a similar trajectory. They dropped me straight in the action, which I like, but then just spun wheels. I didn't really need an entire hour to establish "here's where they are" at the start a 6-hour miniseries.
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03-24-2021, 10:27 PM	#10
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03-26-2021, 02:49 PM	#13
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3804454	Solid 2nd episode. Spoiler! John Walker actually seems like a decent guy and a good captain America __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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