****2017 NFL Draft Thread**** (NO Spoilers)

[Dante84]

Let's ****ing do this.

Rules:
1. No spoiled picks in this thread, all weekend. This means that as tweets are leaking picks a few minutes before the selection is announced live, you don't post it in this thread (ex: embedded tweets), reference it in this thread (ex: Joe Slapdick says it's McCaffrey to Tampa) or hint at it (ex: "it's a RB!").

Don't be a dick.

Otherwise, have fun, talk shit, freak out and lose your goddamned minds. It's Draft Weekend. The hot takes in these threads are so funny.

I'll also be starting threads for each of our picks as they are made, with videos and notable stats/takes in the OP. Pure knee jerk gold to reference in the future.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

2019 was only his second full season as a starter, so it wouldn’t yet be considered an outlier. But still, he did have a small drop from his 2018 numbers.

2018 Watson

Passing Yards: 4,165 (15th)
YPA: 8.2 (7th)
AYPA: 8.8 (8th)
YPG: 260.3 (18th)
Rating 103.1 (6th)
QBR: 60.7 (15th)
TD%: 5.1 (15th)
Touchdowns: 26 (12th)

His stats in 2018, while better in some areas, still aren’t at that elite mark to me. He’s Alex Smith who’s not afraid to make throws downfield in clutch time.

Interesting, I didn't know that.

I thought he had the tools to be a top 10 QB, arm strength notwithstanding. He's got the athleticism, toughness, good arm talent, etc. I'd still rate him higher than Smith overall. Always thought BOB was his biggest problem.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Interesting, I didn't know that.

I thought he had the tools to be a top 10 QB, arm strength notwithstanding. He's got the athleticism, toughness, good arm talent, etc. I'd still rate him higher than Smith overall. Always thought BOB was his biggest problem.

Oh yeah, Watson shines the brightest in the clutch and savors those moments. That absolutely puts him above Smith. I would be his ultimate homer had the Chiefs drafted him as being a good QB with a clutch gene is something the Chiefs really only had with Trent Green before Mahomes. I still don’t think he’s a rival to Mahomes in BOB’s system. I think he could be very good in the right situation (Like the Patriots - and the Pats subreddit has fallen in love with this idea).

I think Big Brain is his biggest problem too. Watson would shine in Belicheck’s offense and with the Pats D. He’s gotta stop taking so many hits, though. His elusiveness and ability to run is a big part of his game. But he took the nasty hits we all thought Jackson would take this year because Watson holds onto the ball so long behind a questionable line.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Since coming into the league If I'm not mistaken his yards per pass were top 5, hes also top 5 in 4th quarter comebacks, and a few other metrics. Those people who said he was going to be a bust and used arm strength for their argument were clearly wrong.

Yep. I certainly made that argument.

It will be interesting to see what he does without Nuk but he's better than I imagined he would be.


Still...48mph. Oof.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Oh yeah, Watson shines the brightest in the clutch and savors those moments. That absolutely puts him above Smith. I would be his ultimate homer had the Chiefs drafted him as being a good QB with a clutch gene is something the Chiefs really only had with Trent Green before Mahomes. I still don’t think he’s a rival to Mahomes in BOB’s system. I think he could be very good in the right situation (Like the Patriots - and the Pats subreddit has fallen in love with this idea).

I think Big Brain is his biggest problem too. Watson would shine in Belicheck’s offense and with the Pats D. He’s gotta stop taking so many hits, though. His elusiveness and ability to run is a big part of his game. But he took the nasty hits we all thought Jackson would take this year because Watson holds onto the ball so long behind a questionable line.

Completely agree.

Watson would be a lot more successful at NE, NO, LAR, maybe just anywhere just not with BOB. And his biggest issue is holding on to the ball too long. Well, that and not being able to read defenses worth a damn. In NE/NO/wherever's system, he'd be getting rid of the ball quicker, he'd be much further along in terms of reading defenses, and so forth.

[Kiimo]

Well the reading defenses thing is exactly the reason Reid took Mahomes so that tracks

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Arm strength is not a great metric for predicting success in the NFL. Just peruse the lsit of SB-winning QBs.

TB12, 6 SB wins

Joe Montana, 4

Troy Aikman, 3

Peyton Manning, 2

Eli Manning, 2

Bob Griese, 2

Bart Starr, 2

Nick Foles

And so on. It's nice to have, but obviously you can be elite without a big arm. Just ask Montana.

agreed, but you need to be in a system that takes advantage of your strengths, like Montana and Walsh's version of he WCO.

I think Watson would be better in a system where he got rid of the ball, and more short and intermediate passes.

He doesn't really have the arm to sit back and heave it; and he's gonna get killed that way.

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

What an awesome pick for the Chiefs.

Like I said.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

OK with it today. Ask me again in 3 years.

How you feeling about it now??

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Panthers take Christian McCaffrey. Granted, they have a quarterback and McCaffrey has been okay, so they screwed up less than any other team so far.

That QB was also one season removed from winning MVP and appearing in the SB , which would make 0 sense to draft another QB that high.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

being a good QB with a clutch gene is something the Chiefs really only had with Trent Green before Mahomes.

I like Trent Green as a person and he certainly had his moments in some regular season games but it’s difficult for me to consider a guy with an 0-2 playoff record, an even TD to pick playoff percentage and who never threw for over 212 yards in a postseason game as someone who has a clutch gene.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

I like Trent Green as a person and he certainly had his moments in some regular season games but it’s difficult for me to consider a guy with an 0-2 playoff record, an even TD to pick playoff percentage and who never threw for over 212 yards in a postseason game as someone who has a clutch gene.

Oh yeah, I won’t argue.

I think if I was asked to pick a Chiefs QB since 2000 (pre-Mahomes) for a fourth quarter drive, down 4, with 2 minutes left, I’d have picked Green.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Oh yeah, I won’t argue.

I think if I was asked to pick a Chiefs QB since 2000 (pre-Mahomes) for a fourth quarter drive, down 4, with 2 minutes left, I’d have picked Green.

Fair enough

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Because Watson is putting up top 5 QB numbers while people on here specifically said he would be a bust because of arm strength.

Nobody said he would bust.

They said he'd be a slightly better version of Alex Smith.

Which is EXACTLY what he's been.

He's fine. He's a good, solid quarterback. He's nothing resembling elite and he's soon to be paid as though he is.

And when that happens, the Texans will be done contending for the duration of his contract.

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nobody said he would bust.

They said he'd be a slightly better version of Alex Smith.

Which is EXACTLY what he's been.

He's fine. He's a good, solid quarterback. He's nothing resembling elite and he's soon to be paid as though he is.

And when that happens, the Texans will be done contending for the duration of his contract.

He's very close to being elite. He has a shitty coach.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

He's very close to being elite. He has a shitty coach.

We'll see. 50% of all of Watson's completions have been to DeAndre Hopkins since 2017. That is a crazy statistic. He throws to Hopkins like we always wanted Smith to throw to Hill. With some of the best weapons in the league, Watson still didn't throw for 4K and put up simply "good" statistics this year. It's hard to understate just how reliant Watson was on Hopkins and how huge of a weapon he's now lost. We'll see how that impacts him moving forward.