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Old 02-01-2019, 11:45 AM  
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The Trump Economy: Messaging vs. Reality

If you ask Trumpers, the economy was total shit until 1/21/17 at which point it turned around over night. In reality, Trump just picked up Obama's surging economy and (to his credit) hasn't ****ed it up yet.

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Old 02-01-2019, 12:53 PM   #16
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:33 PM   #17
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If you ask Trumpers, the economy was total shit until 1/21/17 at which point it turned around over night. In reality, Trump just picked up Obama's surging economy and (to his credit) hasn't ****ed it up yet.

It's impossible to convince the Trumpers of ANYTHING using facts and statistics.

They don't like facts. They don't like statistics. They really couldn't care less anyway.

All they know or care about is that they are blissfully happy: their Orange Master hates all of the same people they hate, and he's pissing off the libs.

These same people also think the stock market was in the tank until Trump saved it, they think trade wars are good and easy to win, and they have no problem with a President who insists upon having secret meetings with his Russian master before and after he lifts government sanctions on Russian oligarchs.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:40 PM   #18
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Once again someone post some shit showing economic improvement under Obama, who took over with the economy straight in the ****ing toilet and could only go up.

So what does it do? It goes up, at a historically slow rate. Slower than any other 8 year POTUS time frame in US history. And somehow this is evidence for Lex Loser and Rodeoshithispants that Obama was great for the country economically.

****ing morons who prove it over and over and over again.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:40 PM   #19
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It's impossible to convince the Trumpers of ANYTHING using facts and statistics.

They don't like facts. They don't like statistics. They really couldn't care less anyway.

All they know or care about is that they are blissfully happy: their Orange Master hates all of the same people they hate, and he's pissing off the libs.

These same people also think the stock market was in the tank until Trump saved it, they think trade wars are good and easy to win, and they have no problem with a President who insists upon having secret meetings with his Russian master.
I know lets all ignore facts like

-Household Income
- Wage Increase
- GDP Pre-Capita

And lets ignore Fed Rate Hikes.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:53 PM   #20
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By the way, I forgot to mention the DEBT and DEFICITS. Trump has added over 2 trillion dollars to the national debt since taking office, and we are rapidly approaching annual trillion dollar deficits under Trump’s “leadership”.

Trump promised he would eliminate the deficits. We see how well THAT worked out.

And the Trumpers don’t care. Trumpers (and everyone else in the GOP) pretend to care about deficits only when Democrats are in power.

Remember the Tea Party? They’be been strangely silent on Trump’s deficits.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:57 PM   #21
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I know lets all ignore facts like

-Household Income
- Wage Increase
- GDP Pre-Capita

And lets ignore Fed Rate Hikes.
You listed 3 items without any details. Can you show us statistics indicating noticeable improvements in these items that aren’t just a continuation of the upward trend that started 9 years ago?
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:59 PM   #22
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Once again someone post some shit showing economic improvement under Obama, who took over with the economy straight in the ****ing toilet and could only go up.

So what does it do? It goes up, at a historically slow rate. Slower than any other 8 year POTUS time frame in US history. And somehow this is evidence for Lex Loser and Rodeoshithispants that Obama was great for the country economically.

****ing morons who prove it over and over and over again.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:59 PM   #23
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It's impossible to convince the Trumpers of ANYTHING using facts and statistics.

They don't like facts. They don't like statistics. They really couldn't care less anyway.

All they know or care about is that they are blissfully happy: their Orange Master hates all of the same people they hate, and he's pissing off the libs.

These same people also think the stock market was in the tank until Trump saved it, they think trade wars are good and easy to win, and they have no problem with a President who insists upon having secret meetings with his Russian master before and after he lifts government sanctions on Russian oligarchs.
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:30 PM   #24
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Well it's just more evidence Trump voters are smarter than Hillary voters.

Unsurprisingly you cant debate what I said.
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:37 PM   #25
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Yeah.

"Well, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly are you going to do? There's no answer to it," Obama said.

"He just says, 'Well, I'm going to negotiate a better deal.' Well, what, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn't have an answer."


Now it’s “Obama started this economy not Trump.”
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:49 PM   #26
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"Well, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly are you going to do? There's no answer to it," Obama said.

"He just says, 'Well, I'm going to negotiate a better deal.' Well, what, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn't have an answer."


Now it’s “Obama started this economy not Trump.”
Yeah some just can't grasp how Obama passing more and more regulations might have hurt businesses and Trump delaying/repealing 1,000's of regulations may have helped businesses.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:02 PM   #27
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Yeah some just can't grasp how Obama passing more and more regulations might have hurt businesses and Trump delaying/repealing 1,000's of regulations may have helped businesses.
In that video, Obama didn’t have an answer. Doesn’t have a clue about the economy.

Yet we’re told now that Trump is just benefiting from Obam’s economy.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:05 PM   #28
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In these discussions it's important to keep a historical perspective....
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The last year this country had a surplus? Fiscal Year 1957 - 2 billion dollars.

The first time this country hit one trillion dollars in debt? Fiscal Year 2008

We've been under 1 trillion dollars in debt three times since 2008, the latest being Fiscal Year 2015.



But naturally, this is all Trump's fault. Orange Man Bad, etc. etc.
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In these discussions it's important to keep a historical perspective....
As I have said in the past, the Stock Market is a poor leading indicator of the health of the economy. Reagan followed carter and squelched inflation and reduced taxes which lead to growth. Clinton and the Republicans in office at the time had the internet .com market but it was officially a bubble. Obama had the largest drop in the market since the great depression. He also had QE policy which basically paid 1-2% of interest for any historical savings instrument. The money had to flow to that the market, despite that, the economy was so soft that it was the slowest recovery to a recession in the industrial era. In fact, he was the only President, even off a decimated base, not to have 3% GDP growth in a calendar year. Today, the economy is very strong, in fact, the markets, despite QT, and the 10 year Treasury rate doubling last year, are holding their own. Also, that hockey stick from Nov. 9 2016 to Jan 21st of 2017 belongs to Trump...
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