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Old 02-11-2019, 08:40 PM  
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Hey, Democrats, I've lived in a socialist country with income 'equality' and it sucks

Hey, Democrats, I've lived in a socialist country with income 'equality' and it was miserable

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The Democratic Party’s lurch to socialism led to a presidential rebuke at the State of the Union on Tuesday night. From Sen. Bernie Sanders’s call for “Medicare-for-all,” to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal of a “Green New Deal,” to Democratic presidential hopefuls’ hankering for stiff tax hikes, prominent members of the Democratic Party seem unwilling to miss any opportunity to advocate for greater government control of the economy.

Yet as Democrats justify grandiose proposals by decrying income inequality, many of us who immigrated to the United States from socialist countries see great irony. After all, unending income equality is what drove us to leave our native lands in the first place.

My family left post-Mao Communist China in the mid-1980s precisely because there was so much equality to go around. As a child, I lived in Guangzhou, the third largest city in China. Everyone in my city was equal in having no running hot water, no modern toilet facilities, no refrigerator, no washer, no dryer, and no color television.

Imagine a world without Whole Foods, Safeway and Walmart, or the plethora of products stocked on their shelves. Imagine no Vitamin Water, no Gatorade, no Starbucks, no Panera Bread, no candy bars and no sea salt potato chips. Now imagine instead being allotted food stamps from the government, indicating how much your family can eat.

There was abundant equality in the dearth of economic opportunities as well. The state told us where to live, where to work, what to buy, and for how much. Worse yet, my fellow citizens who lived in the countryside were even more impoverished.

When the state runs the economy and its citizens’ lives, there will be plenty of equality in scarcity, poverty and hopelessness.

After decades of totalitarian rule and grand socialist experiments, China had a meager per capita GDP of less than $200 in 1980. By comparison, America’s was $12,500 that year.

Around that time, China decided enough misery was enough. It embarked on historic economic reforms and opened up the country to the world. Liberalization introduced market prices, allowed for the return to household farming from collectivization, created Special Economic Zones in coastal areas that attracted foreign investment and promoted exports, exposed state-owned factory production to profit incentives, and opened up the market to private firms and entities.

As China began to dismantle bits and pieces of its command economy, Chinese citizens came face to face with the liberating effects of what the market made possible. There were many firsts.

For the first time, we could buy goods on the open market rather than using food stamps. For the first time, we could open up businesses instead of being confined to lifetime, government-assigned employment.

For the first time, we could have possessions that we had not seen before – clothing that was not gray and drab, electronics that exposed us to brand new images and music, goods that we coveted without even knowing it.

In the end, even Communist China did not want the kind of economic equality that existed during my childhood. Hence, the country opened up its economy, implemented bold reforms, and adopted capitalism, even though it retained many communist characteristics.

Over the past 40 years, China became the second largest economy in the world.

However, don’t for a minute forget the lesson that still applies: When the state runs the economy and its citizens’ lives, there will be plenty of equality in scarcity, poverty and hopelessness.

Today, this is a lesson that prominent Democrats seem eager to forget. Less than 30 years after the former Soviet Union collapsed and the United States emerged victorious from the Cold War, Americans increasingly find it necessary to debate the shortcomings and evils of socialism all over again.

It was left up to President Trump to declare on Tuesday night: “Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence – and not government coercion, domination and control. We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.”

It is crazy that the leader of the free world had to state this. It is crazier still that he will have to deliver an even more robust defense of democratic capitalism in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election. Hopefully, the Democrats’ vision of economic equality will not prevail.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:28 AM   #46
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:29 AM   #47
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Honestly, If you took a break from this cesspool once in a while you would probably be a lot happier.

We are the happy ones today, we understand you're not... However, we are at a critical time in our nation as Socialism and Socialist are winning some pretty large state elections...
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:35 AM   #48
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Why does the right ignore the various thriving Nordic countries when the discussion of socialism pops up and instead choose to fixate on authoritarian countries that no liberals want to emulate?

It's almost like you guys are being intentionally dishonest or something.
Because you're never going to convince Americans that taxing 55%+ of any income over 50,000 is a good idea.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:35 AM   #49
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I'm in enemy territory. What's your excuse?
I assume by "enemy territory" you mean America, right?
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:39 AM   #50
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Indeed. This country has been throwing these ideas of "socialism" for many years now - it has been ingrained into our children by their "teachers" from an early age.

I always love the pat "answer" when the question is posed to the fascist left about socialism not working - "WELL- IT WORKS IN ICELAND!!!!!"

That have yet to be able to make the connection that Iceland has a population of (roughly) 500,000 people and immigration is strictly enforced - outsiders need not apply.

But it will be here. It is coming, like a hell bound train. It is coming.
^^^ Dude lives off of Social Security and likely other government assistance and then complains about socialism.

Hilarious.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:36 PM   #51
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^^^ Dude lives off of Social Security and likely other government assistance and then complains about socialism.

Hilarious.
Ask him if he paid into that Social Security


Keep in mind, we had socialism shoved down our throat. We didn't choose it. I figured out young, even when I still was a Democrat , that Social Security was a bad thing. But what do you do when the government takes the money directly out of your check? We worked for that money. Either give it to us so we can invest it, or we are forced to draw it back from the government in this f***ed up social security system.

Do you know of any other options for the RandallFlagg's and Over Yonder's of America to get our money back? Serious question.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:08 PM   #52
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Not one black or Hispanic person will ever read that.

I read your entire post above. I agreed with nearly all of it. But you just don’t get it. The “POC” believe wealth is hoarded by white Americans and they want it and they want to hire agents (call them Agent Kamala or Agent Warren) to go get it.

You obv think: “How can you be so reductionist? Humans are deeper thinkers than that!” And I’ll just post polling data.
I definitely get it man and I agree with you 100%. We're living in a straight up idiocracy and mobs will exert their will via mob rule. I can't really blame the less educated because they're not able to do research on their own and just get their talking points from biased media. The problem is a huge percentage of people that should know better don't. I am shocked by the number of above average intelligence people there are spreading the unicorns & rainbows of "social democracy." That paper I just linked re: Sweden says all that needs to be said. Taxes are already some 60-70% and they're talking about having to raise them another 20% plus over the next 10 years to sustain their model.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:27 PM   #53
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Ask him if he paid into that Social Security


Keep in mind, we had socialism shoved down our throat. We didn't choose it. I figured out young, even when I still was a Democrat , that Social Security was a bad thing. But what do you do when the government takes the money directly out of your check? We worked for that money. Either give it to us so we can invest it, or we are forced to draw it back from the government in this f***ed up social security system.

Do you know of any other options for the RandallFlagg's and Over Yonder's of America to get our money back? Serious question.

I pay this clown Detoxing no mind. And you are correct, I DO collect MY Social Security benefits that I paid into for well over 60 years. You are, of course, also correct that people who WORK for a living have no option other than to pay into the Social Security system. It's a federal law.

It was PROMISED back to us when it was passed. Now, this guy (Detoxing) many not work and pay taxes - I do not know - but let's hear him bitch and moan when he hits the required age and begins getting HIS money back to him each month.

And, I have said a thousand times, that if the US Government wishes to abolish Social Security, that's fine. Make it a law that those 12 and over must decide - take the program or reject the program - that SHOULD be up to them. However, if they choose to reject the Social Security program - don't cry "foul" when they are 75 years old and broke and do NOT expect the US Government to bail their asses out.

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