Chiefs What's up with Mecole Hardman? - Page 8

carcosa · 10-19-2020, 06:00 PM

Pringle was getting all the snaps down the stretch. Is he in the doghouse? (I'm only partially asking because I started him in fantasy thinking he'd get some looks with Watkins out)

Seems like he's regressed a lot this season, unfortunately...

Hydrae · 10-20-2020, 01:26 PM

My only complaint with Mecole is that he is still thinking too much. This is true on returns as well as as a WR.

Darwin has the same problem. (except as a RB!)

Mecca · 10-20-2020, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

My expectation is that by next year we wouldn't be forced to use a top pick at WR in the draft. As it stands I don't see how you can avoid taking a wide receiver with the 1st or 2nd pick. That's fine, but we also likely have needs in that range at linebacker, OL, and maybe DL. It would be nice if Hardman could show anything at all to give the team confidence they could wait to take a receiver if necessary.

This gonna sound weird but at this point I'm not really all that unsure that Byron Pringle couldn't do Sammy Watkins job...

**penguinz** · 10-20-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

My expectation is that by next year we wouldn't be forced to use a top pick at WR in the draft. As it stands I don't see how you can avoid taking a wide receiver with the 1st or 2nd pick. That's fine, but we also likely have needs in that range at linebacker, OL, and maybe DL. It would be nice if Hardman could show anything at all to give the team confidence they could wait to take a receiver if necessary.

Watkins will resign with KC if he still wants to play. He loves Reed and PM.

OKchiefs · 10-20-2020, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

Watkins will resign with KC if he still wants to play. He loves Reed and PM.

I'm not so sure we have the cap flexibility to do so, and I'm not even sure we should with Watkins proving yet again that he can't stay healthy.

Mecca · 10-20-2020, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I'm not so sure we have the cap flexibility to do so, and I'm not even sure we should with Watkins proving yet again that he can't stay healthy.

We have a lot of FA's after the year and I don't really expect a ton of them back to be honest...

scho63 · 10-20-2020, 01:56 PM

Last year he seemed to speed straight ahead on KO returns for nice gains- this year it's all 40 yards sideways for no gain.

He also seems to be a situational receiver - I wish they would give him a jet sweep or WR screen a couple of times per game.

PAChiefsGuy · 10-20-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

My expectation is that by next year we wouldn't be forced to use a top pick at WR in the draft. As it stands I don't see how you can avoid taking a wide receiver with the 1st or 2nd pick. That's fine, but we also likely have needs in that range at linebacker, OL, and maybe DL. It would be nice if Hardman could show anything at all to give the team confidence they could wait to take a receiver if necessary.

Exactly.

The guy is clearly losing the confidence of his coaches if WRs like Robinson and Pringle are getting more snaps than him.

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

My expectation is that by next year we wouldn't be forced to use a top pick at WR in the draft. As it stands I don't see how you can avoid taking a wide receiver with the 1st or 2nd pick. That's fine, but we also likely have needs in that range at linebacker, OL, and maybe DL. It would be nice if Hardman could show anything at all to give the team confidence they could wait to take a receiver if necessary.

Watkins, Robinson, AND Pringle are free agents after this year. I don't see how there's a way they can bring Watkins back for more money when he can't stay healthy.

Hardman developing isn't going to negate the need for another WR because he's NOT THAT TYPE OF RECEIVER. All of our big-bodied, blocking WR's are free agents. I don't know how many times it has been said but you can't just plug Hardman into Watkins' slot and move forward. It won't work.

They're going to always need more WR's. That's the price to pay for having an offense like this.

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Exactly.

The guy is clearly losing the confidence of his coaches if WRs like Robinson and Pringle are getting more snaps than him.

Wrong. It's called personnel packages. When they're run-heavy, Hardman doesn't play as much. It's a simple as that.

dlphg9 · 10-20-2020, 02:05 PM

I'm not a Hardman fan boy whatsoever and he shouldn't be returning kickoffs, but he definitely wasn't in as much because he's not a very good blocker.

Yes Hardman was a 2nd rounder, but he was a project and there arent many players with his kind of speed. He is gonna take time to learn to run all the routes better and Andy and Brett have faith that he can learn those routes. If he does become as good as Sammy, Robinson, or Pringle at running routes then he becomes a number 1b receiver right behind Hill. Hill is a legit top 3 WR (I think he would be the consensus top WR in the game if we didn't have so many other badasses) and Hardman will become a top 15-20 WR if he develops into a better route runner.

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 02:34 PM

Keep those down-votes coming.

I might just post some stats to show you how wrong you really are.

Chris Meck · 10-20-2020, 02:38 PM

smh.

Overreaction Planet.

Titty Meat · 10-20-2020, 02:59 PM

What's up with Hardman? Hes 2nd in TD receptions for all WRs on the roster

JakeF · 10-20-2020, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Watkins, Robinson, AND Pringle are free agents after this year. I don't see how there's a way they can bring Watkins back for more money when he can't stay healthy.

Hardman developing isn't going to negate the need for another WR because he's NOT THAT TYPE OF RECEIVER. All of our big-bodied, blocking WR's are free agents. I don't know how many times it has been said but you can't just plug Hardman into Watkins' slot and move forward. It won't work.

They're going to always need more WR's. That's the price to pay for having an offense like this.

They shouldn't bring any of those guys back.

Watkins - too much money
Robinson - not good enough
Pringle - unless they give him a real chance we won't know what he can really do.

Can Pringle return kicks better than Hardman? Somebody has to be able to.

Red Dawg · 10-20-2020, 04:50 PM

I rather give Pringle a start over Hardman and see what happens.

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dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1999653	I'm not a Hardman fan boy whatsoever and he shouldn't be returning kickoffs, but he definitely wasn't in as much because he's not a very good blocker. Yes Hardman was a 2nd rounder, but he was a project and there arent many players with his kind of speed. He is gonna take time to learn to run all the routes better and Andy and Brett have faith that he can learn those routes. If he does become as good as Sammy, Robinson, or Pringle at running routes then he becomes a number 1b receiver right behind Hill. Hill is a legit top 3 WR (I think he would be the consensus top WR in the game if we didn't have so many other badasses) and Hardman will become a top 15-20 WR if he develops into a better route runner.
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