Cardinals "Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread - Page 143

**BigRedChief** · 02:10 PM

This is so unreal. We were dead. No hope. A season over. Somehow, someway we find some team chemistry and squeak into the playoffs on the last day of the season.

Only to find us facing one of the best pitching staffs assembled in years with home field advantage. We somehow, someway find a way to beat the best pitcher in baseball on the road in an elimination game.

We have to go on the road and beat the team with the best home record in baseball. A team who mortgaged their future to make this run .We somehow, someway find a way to beat them on the road and make our 18th World series trip.

We take game 1, we give away game 2 and home field advantage. Albert goes off for probably the best performance in World Series history and we take game 3 easily. Games 4 & 5 our bats fall asleep, Phone gate happens and its not looking too good.

Game 6, one of the best baseball games of all time and it takes place in a season ending go home game. Cardinals are down 2 runs in their final chance on the season, twice. They are down to their final strike of the season, twice. They give up a 2 run homer in extra innings. In the bottom of the inning their final 3 batters are a combined 3-26 in the Playoffs and a pitcher because the bench is empty. Somehow, someway they get some runners on and the comeback player of the year drives in the tying run. Mr. Freese hits the walk off home run. We will see you tommorrow night.

Game 7, With our bulldog on the mound pitching on 3 days rest he is able to give us 6 good innings and get us to within 9 outs of our 11 World series title. Texas meltsdown, probably left over from last nights game and its over.

The underdog, come back team who had no business even being in the playoffs wins a World championship. They make movies about events like this in life. Events that you remember even if your not a fan of the sport or team for the rest of your life.

When it is your team.......Priceless

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Rams Fan · 07-16-2011, 07:55 PM

Now, I wouldn't be totally against it, but I could see a scenario where they let Berkman walk, keep Carp and resign Albert.

Craig or Jay would be in RF.

Rams Fan · 07-16-2011, 07:59 PM

Not many games do you make 3 errors and still win.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-16-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Now, I wouldn't be totally against it, but I could see a scenario where they let Berkman walk, keep Carp and resign Albert.

Craig or Jay would be in RF.

That's exactly what you should do.

Berkman turns down arb, and nets you two draft picks in the process, and the absence of Carpenter's salary would equal Albert's raise.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-16-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

so???? Who are you willing to give up for Bumgarner?

A few weeks ago, I said I'd be cool with moving Berkman and another piece for him.

I wouldn't jump for joy if we traded Rasmus at all, but if we did, that's the caliber of pitcher we need to get in return.

Rams Fan · 07-16-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's exactly what you should do.

Berkman turns down arb, and nets you two draft picks in the process, and the absence of Carpenter's salary would equal Albert's raise.

Pretty much, but I think they can keep Berkman at the right price.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-16-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Pretty much, but I think they can keep Berkman at the right price.

You know the old saying about how it's always good to let go of a player a year too early?

After this year, he'll command a 2-3 year deal at probably 12-14 per.

We're in an excellent place to let him walk and take the picks. To me, it's a win-win.

Rams Fan · 07-16-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You know the old saying about how it's always good to let go of a player a year too early?

After this year, he'll command a 2-3 year deal at probably 12-14 per.

We're in an excellent place to let him walk and take the picks. To me, it's a win-win.

I don't see there being a problem with keeping Berkman at 8 mil.

If he likes it here, wants to be back as well as Albert, I think he might be okay with 8 mil.

**BigRedChief** · 07-16-2011, 08:40 PM

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Alright, Salas. Try not to step on your own dick tonight.

That was a helluva pitch to end the game. The ball dipping down and in to the right handers when it looks like its a hittable fastball is a damn good pitch for a closer.

That pitch last night to Phillips was a good pitch, probably not even a strike.

**BigRedChief** · 07-16-2011, 08:45 PM

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Yes, and I fully expect them to. Complete bullshit if they try the woe is me crap.

They can easily resign Pujols and raise ticket prices next year. I also see no reason our payroll can't got to 120 million either. I don't see Carp asking for a huge payday in the offseason. The farm system seems to have some cheap talent on the way. We should use that saved monies to resign Pujols, Carp and Waino. Let Berkman walk unless he resigns on the cheap. Otherwise I'm happy with craig/Jay in RF.

**BigRedChief** · 07-16-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A few weeks ago, I said I'd be cool with moving Berkman and another piece for him.

I wouldn't jump for joy if we traded Rasmus at all, but if we did, that's the caliber of pitcher we need to get in return.

I'm still not convinced that we should trade Rasmus. He seems emotional immature but too much raw talent to just let him go for less than top level talent.

Chief Roundup · 07-16-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

They're at 108 mil. right now.

If they keep Berkman, Albert and Carp, I'm guessing it would be around 120 mil.

I expect Waino to have his options picked up or reworked.

Uhh I must be missing something??????? Pujols turned down a 7 yr $210 mill deal before the season.
If your #'s are right then that alone would be 138 mill.

**BigRedChief** · 07-16-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Uhh I must be missing something??????? Pujols turned down a 7 yr $210 mill deal before the season.
If your #'s are right then that alone would be 138 mill.

yes you are.....there is a link in the opening post of our salary obligations.

2012 $53 million in salary committed.
2013 $36 million in salary committed.
2014-15 $24 million in salary committed.

That leaves us $72 million to spend on Waino, Carp and Pujols and anyone else.

Chief Roundup · 07-16-2011, 09:28 PM

Do you guys want to pay Pujols $30 mil a year? I know that I am not a fan of it. I do think he is arguably the best player in the league. But if it is going to take that kind of money to sign him with a term of 10 years. I don't think Pujols will play out that contract.
If those are the cases I think I would rather have 2 more Holliday types on the team. IIRC Holliday got 15.7 mil a year.

Chief Roundup · 07-16-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

yes you are.....there is a link in the opening post of our salary obligations.

2012 $53 million in salary committed.
2013 $36 million in salary committed.
2014-15 $24 million in salary committed.

That leaves us $72 million to spend on Waino, Carp and Pujols and anyone else.

Ok thanks for that explanation.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-16-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm still not convinced that we should trade Rasmus. He seems emotional immature but too much raw talent to just let him go for less than top level talent.

I completely agree.

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