***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Like last time, minor joint pain with the skin eebie jeebies. A bit uncomfortable but not slowing the day down at all.

I did the J&J shot first time around and it didn't phase me at all, but after the Moderna booster I could barely move my arm for two effing days.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

PRELIMINARY DATA but good news for your afternoon! Pfizer vaccine’s is only SLIGHTLY less effective in preventing infection with Omicron than with Delta- 90% as opposed to 95%- while it is AS EFFECTIVE in preventing serious symptoms- around 93% – at least for those boosted!

— Chise ���������� MFF (@sailorrooscout) November 30, 2021

This looks like it may have been too good to be true.

Or maybe not.

Nobody knows.

I hate this

[Imon Yourside]

I love these non political political threads

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Blather to deflect from your agenda. You lie constantly on this topic. It is a fact.

I can't address your point 2 because it isn't a known quantity at this point, as the author you use to define leaky vaccines so aptly points out in his own perfect rebuttal to your constant lies on the topic. So no need to even talk about it since you refuse to even address your sources rebuttal to your assertions on the topic.

Your point 1 is abstract and not germane to the discussion. It is merely a distraction from your constant lies.

Originally Posted by NotDonger

What do the Germans have to do with this?

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZ...MOZI&q=germane

In case you aren't just being funny.

Missed this exchange during the shitshow...don't even tell me you haven't seen this movie.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fish

More likely your goofy persistent claims of "Leaky" vaccines. The vaccines have more than proven themselves at this point.

Im not antivaxx, I'm vaccinated and I don't see how anyone can say this with a straight face.

They have changed the effectiveness, the longevity, and the number of shots needed in a mere 6 - 8 months. Now they want to give them to kids who dont need them no matter what "science" you want to use.

I mean yea if a constant changing of the narrative is "more than proven" then I guess you are correct.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Im not antivaxx, I'm vaccinated and I don't see how anyone can say this with a straight face.

They have changed the effectiveness, the longevity, and the number of shots needed in a mere 6 - 8 months. Now they want to give them to kids who dont need them no matter what "science" you want to use.

I mean yea if a constant changing of the narrative is "more than proven" then I guess you are correct.

The vaccines have proven more successful than most people ever thought possible. The narrative has changed due to the novelty of the virus. That's how science works. We know infinitely more about it now than we did at the beginning of the pandemic.

Hell, there were idiots here claiming that covid would never even kill 5000 Americans. So, clearly our understanding has changed pretty dramatically since the beginning.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Im not antivaxx, I'm vaccinated and I don't see how anyone can say this with a straight face.

They have changed the effectiveness, the longevity, and the number of shots needed in a mere 6 - 8 months. Now they want to give them to kids who dont need them no matter what "science" you want to use.

I mean yea if a constant changing of the narrative is "more than proven" then I guess you are correct.

Originally Posted by Fish

The vaccines have proven more successful than most people ever thought possible. The narrative has changed due to the novelty of the virus. That's how science works. We know infinitely more about it now than we did at the beginning of the pandemic.

Hell, there were idiots here claiming that covid would never even kill 5000 Americans. So, clearly our understanding has changed pretty dramatically since the beginning.

The vaccines are GREAT at preventing severe disease and death. That's what they are supposed to do.

It's a bit of a bummer they aren't as effective at preventing mild or asymptomatic disease after 6-8 months, but it is what it is. They're still holding up remarkably well against an ever changing coronavirus.

I think the world should be marveling at what a scientific achievement these vaccines are, but instead, we're using the word "leaky" far too much for my comfort level.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by ghak99

It appears the new court ruling blocked the health care facility employee mandate in 10 states. Hopefully, it relieves some pressure while things continue to be sorted out.

Do this apply to your staff issues TLO?

Somehow we don't fall under the category of required vaccinations. I'm not entirely sure how... I'm just following what corporate said and breathing a big sigh of relief.

[TLO]

I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

If you test positive for covid - ask your doctor about getting one of the monoclonal antibody treatments. If they say no, ask again. I don't know why they won't open this up more broadly. (They have opened it up a bit more here recently)

Seriously. I've seen this treatment work wonders.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Im not antivaxx, I'm vaccinated and I don't see how anyone can say this with a straight face.

They have changed the effectiveness, the longevity, and the number of shots needed in a mere 6 - 8 months. Now they want to give them to kids who dont need them no matter what "science" you want to use.

I mean yea if a constant changing of the narrative is "more than proven" then I guess you are correct.

They didn't recommend a 2nd measles shot for 10 years after widespread adoption.... there's nothing mere about 6-8 months.

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Missed this exchange during the shitshow...don't even tell me you haven't seen this movie.

I have not seen that movie, no.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

I have not seen that movie, no.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

I have not seen that movie, no.

Beginning to think your username is a damn lie...

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by Fish

Beginning to think your username is a damn lie...

Well, that's rather rude and presumptuous. Regardless, I'm NotDonger. I don't believe that we've ever interfaced. It's nice to e-meet you.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

They didn't recommend a 2nd measles shot for 10 years after widespread adoption.... there's nothing mere about 6-8 months.

You are 93% protected after the first measles shot and your immunity doesn't wane over time.

This is not a good comparison.