Football Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes - Page 20

Wallcrawler · 10:50 AM

This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.

Kiimo · 06-16-2020, 08:19 AM

Yeah I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a single Chiefs fan that would make that trade.

smithandrew051 · 06-16-2020, 08:57 AM

I wonder if Ravens fans have a distorted view of the QB position.

They’ve seen their team win two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco, while Colts fans only saw Manning win 1.

Maybe they don’t see the obvious difference in Mahomes vs everyone else, because they’ve been the outlier in being successful despite never having a truly elite passing QB.

ThaVirus · 06-16-2020, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I wonder if Ravens fans have a distorted view of the QB position.

They’ve seen their team win two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco, while Colts fans only saw Manning win 1.

Maybe they don’t see the obvious difference in Mahomes vs everyone else, because they’ve been the outlier in being successful despite never having a truly elite passing QB.

I had never considered this but you bring up an interesting point.

Valiant · 06-16-2020, 09:13 AM

It is funny, that guys whole defense on the matter is stats from last year. Total averaged stats. Mahomes, was injured a few games. He was on pace for 6k yards before it.
Probably a blessing in disguise because wins and Superbowl is more important than 6k.

Kiimo · 06-16-2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I wonder if Ravens fans have a distorted view of the QB position.

They’ve seen their team win two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco, while Colts fans only saw Manning win 1.

Maybe they don’t see the obvious difference in Mahomes vs everyone else, because they’ve been the outlier in being successful despite never having a truly elite passing QB.

Well to be fair this was brought up because Ravens fans are some of the least homer-fans out there in terms of having a grip on where your players actually stand.

I mean there is only one guy saying Lamar is better than Mahomes and he's getting shouted down by everyone else.

DrRyan · 06-16-2020, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin

If anyone is registered there they should post the video of lamar passing at the pro bowl competition.

https://youtu.be/hX6uaNbU0aU

Can't get the embedded link on the phone. Enjoy nevertheless.

**Rain Man** · 06-16-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

https://youtu.be/hX6uaNbU0aU

Can't get the embedded link on the phone. Enjoy nevertheless.

At 0:56, you can see a guy huddled down by some equipment taking shelter because no one can predict where the balls are going. And he still almost got hit.

Halfcan · 06-16-2020, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I wonder if Ravens fans have a distorted view of the QB position.

They’ve seen their team win two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco, while Colts fans only saw Manning win 1.

Maybe they don’t see the obvious difference in Mahomes vs everyone else, because they’ve been the outlier in being successful despite never having a truly elite passing QB.

Or it could be they are just idiots.

Halfcan · 06-16-2020, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

At 0:56, you can see a guy huddled down by some equipment taking shelter because no one can predict where the balls are going. And he still almost got hit.

Funny every time.

Can't wait to beat these punks again.

dls6501 · 06-17-2020, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I wonder if Ravens fans have a distorted view of the QB position.

They’ve seen their team win two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco, while Colts fans only saw Manning win 1.

Maybe they don’t see the obvious difference in Mahomes vs everyone else, because they’ve been the outlier in being successful despite never having a truly elite passing QB.

In fairness, Flacco's SB run was incredible. Played like an elite QB through those playoffs. But I get your point.

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CoMoChief · 08-02-2020, 11:14 PM

Jackson is a RB who can throw.

He just can't throw well enough to be a pocket passing QB, and in this league you have to have that ability.

I'm willing to bet that Jackson's "running game" isn't going to be nearly as elite as it was last yr. Tennessee showed the world what happens when you make Lamar stay in the pocket and actually have to play the position.

He's gonna flame out in a couple/few yrs unless he gets better at throwing the ball.

Rasputin · 08-03-2020, 12:21 AM

Lamar Tebow

Tim Jackson

Lamar is Tim Tebow incarnation

Somewhat can throw ball better than TT but he is what the Broncos were hoping Tim Tebow would be.

TheMartyr · 08-03-2020, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

At 0:56, you can see a guy huddled down by some equipment taking shelter because no one can predict where the balls are going. And he still almost got hit.

For comparison’s sake, you can watch the 2019 version (CP won’t let me post link to the video)

Point totals were:
Luck - 5
Trubisky - 11
Watson - 15
Wilson - 19

For the non-QBs, Adam Thielen got 10 points, and Von Miller got 2. So basically, Lamar is equal to Von Miller in this particular skill challenge.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-03-2020, 06:59 AM

Can't even count how many people on Twitter talk about mahomes weapons. As if the ravens don't have the #1 running game and an outstanding defense. We all know lamar is a product of that system.

More importantly nobody seems to remember that mahomes was a winner without tyreek and Sammy, fisher, or half of his OL. With an injured RB and a washed out shady as his main guy. Trying to lead a bottom 5 defense still trying to find its way. Oh, and he did this all on one ankle. There needs to be a bot that just posts this every damn time somebody talks about this nonsense.

01-16-2020, 09:14 AM
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4202912	Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop. Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell. There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points. Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest. Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays. When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind. The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true. Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special. Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead. The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back. Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring. Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game. Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances. Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived. Last edited by Wallcrawler; 01-16-2020 at 10:50 AM..
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08-03-2020, 12:21 AM	#298
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08-03-2020, 06:59 AM	#300
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1984497	Can't even count how many people on Twitter talk about mahomes weapons. As if the ravens don't have the #1 running game and an outstanding defense. We all know lamar is a product of that system. More importantly nobody seems to remember that mahomes was a winner without tyreek and Sammy, fisher, or half of his OL. With an injured RB and a washed out shady as his main guy. Trying to lead a bottom 5 defense still trying to find its way. Oh, and he did this all on one ankle. There needs to be a bot that just posts this every damn time somebody talks about this nonsense.
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