***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

My patient caught Covid-19 twice.

It's just one data point, but the worst case of this:

First, the trajectory of a moderate initial infection followed by a severe reinfection suggests that this novel coronavirus might share some tendencies of other viruses such as dengue fever, where you can suffer more severe illness each time you contract the disease.

combined with vaccines not working or taking years to develop, could send civilization into a new dark ages for a while.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's some bozo with 2,000 Twitter followers, which apparently, is all someone needs today to be relevant on the internets.

Anecdotal for sure, and Pete may have a clearer vision that I do on this one, but I'm pretty tied to data, data collecting, and reporting as part of my career, often in healthcare. As such I know a lot of people right in the reporting soup for this thing. Requirements are ever changing and stretching IT resources pretty thin. A lot of other projects are going on hold to focus on this shit. It's stifling.

Again, just an observation from the field.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by eDave

Scandal? GTFO. It might be a data point link error, but scandal? GTFO.

Always has to be some conspiracy or scandal with some people. Never can be that there is a shit ton of infections everywhere especially in Florida.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Now we care about people dying in FL?

Not really, I'm worried about people traveling to that hellhole and bringing it back with them.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Always has to be some conspiracy or scandal with some people. Never can be that there is a shit ton of infections everywhere especially in Florida.

Exactly

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Not really, I'm worried about people traveling to that hellhole and bringing it back with them.

According to an article I've read in the past 24 hours, people from Florida have flown to every state in the nation in the past few weeks, which just adds another layer of infections for this virus.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by TLO

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-atl...-mexico-border

That's only breaking news for the MSM

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

According to an article I've read in the past 24 hours, people from Florida have flown to every state in the nation in the past few weeks, which just adds another layer of infections for this virus.

****. Shut down the airports. The train stations. Shut it all down.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

That's only breaking news for the MSM

I don't buy that excuse for a freaking minute.

If true, we'd have seen a huge outbreak in San Diego and Orange County, which we haven't as of yet.

It's no coincidence that cases have blown through the roof in Florida, Arizona, Texas and California because every one of these states opened early, which is why we're seeing the spread.

Hell, the Lt. Governor of Texas said recently that he doesn't believe in masks and that he's "heard enough" of Dr. Fauci, so much so that he no longer listens to his recommendations.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

My patient caught Covid-19 twice.

It's just one data point, but the worst case of this:



combined with vaccines not working or taking years to develop, could send civilization into a new dark ages for a while.

This things been going on for 6/7 months now and there’s been a few cases of this potentially happening

I’m gonna go with outliers at this point.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't buy that excuse for a freaking minute.

If true, we'd have seen a huge outbreak in San Diego and Orange County, which we haven't as of yet.

It's no coincidence that cases have blown through the roof in Florida, Arizona, Texas and California because every one of these states opened early, which is why we're seeing the spread.

Hell, the Lt. Governor of Texas said recently that he doesn't believe in masks and that he's "heard enough" of Dr. Fauci, so much so that he no longer listens to his recommendations.

California opened early? We were still shut down until the riots, oops I mean protests......

[Kiimo]

They rushed the opening and people flooded restaurants and bars (indoors) without anyone knowing what the proper procedure was and then cases spiked.

People love to blame the protests though

Here's a thread for further reading:

LA locked down for months to save lives. But then we hastily reopened -- and now our outbreak is exploding.

We're seeing record hospitalizations. The most since April.

But unlike back then, businesses are open. And workers are in danger. (thread) https://t.co/iKpt8yI9hr pic.twitter.com/d7urD50tDr

— Nithya Raman (@nithyavraman) July 9, 2020

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

This things been going on for 6/7 months now and there’s been a few cases of this potentially happening

I’m gonna go with outliers at this point.

Only a few cases from all over the world at this point. Doesn't seem very common at all.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jdubya

California opened early? We were still shut down until the riots, oops I mean protests......

Yes, California opened too soon, which is why we're seeing a massive amount of cases in Los Angeles County.

If schools are forced to open next month, our COVID-19 cases will dwarf any number to date.

[Chief Pagan]

I don't know if CA opened too soon. I do think it was a mistake to open up bars and gyms.

To keep control of the spread, society may have to choose a limited number of things to open.

I would keep bars and dine in restaurants closed if it meant grade schools could be opened sooner.