Anyone ever had to kick their kid out of the house?

[Mecca]

My step son is veering dangerously close to this. His mom is already wanting him out...is there even remotely a good way to go about this?

[ptlyon]

Listen to the cave man, he'd know

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think anything can be tedious if you're doing it all day, which is why I disagree with the "do what you love" mantra for today's jobs. A job is really about making your 24-hour existence optimal and your long-term future optimal.

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Right.

And even before retirement, if all you do is work pay bills and die, that’s on you man. There are 8760 hours in a year. If you work 2200 hours a year there are still 6560 hours that are all yours. Even if you sleep the full 8, that’s only 2920 hours. That means there are 3640 hours that are all yours. That’s 165% more free time than work time. If you sleep 8hours which no one does.

If you’re going to let 2200 hours ruin the other 6560 hours, that’s just you being a miserable ****. That’s the reality of it.

I work way, way more than 2200 hours, and I don’t feel like I’m just going to work, paying bills and dying.

Moreover, I’ve done some taxes for retired folks that are a horror show. 20k ish Social Security LESS Medicare, and a little bit of retirement or pension or something else they can scrounge together. And they probably owe tax too because nothing is withheld. Living entirely on that late in life is reason enough to go work your ass off now.

I just don’t buy that work bills die shit. Sure the path I chose isn’t for everybody (or many people at all), but that doesn’t mean you can’t achieve happiness.

I think people have to find their mix of misery/pleasure now versus pleasure/misery later (of course, some people unfortunately work like hell for decades with little to show for it and others don't do shit and reap what others have sow).... I know people who work crazy hours and will tell you to never ever buy a new car and to always do this and never do that, with no pleasure now and purely saving the pleasure for the last few decades of their life. And of course plenty of others who will do nothing more than clock out after 40.000 hours/week and could very well end up as WalMart greeters.

I've tried to find as sweet spot of enjoying the now and all of those hours of not working, while keeping an eye on the future. Of course, not everyone has that luxury, but I agree that even if you're working a ton, there's still a lot of time out there to enjoy a little life (for the most part).

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The contract is a good idea. You have to set boundaries and enforce them when crossed.

“we talked about this and came to an agreement and now you’re breaking that agreement so this is the consequence”

In the end you can’t be codependent and enable. I know that’s hard, especially for your wife, but it’s true. You are not responsible for him at this point and neither is your wife. He has choices to make.

Let him choose

I am very actions --> consequences and owning it, so I'm not outright disagreeing with this at all... but, it's ****ing exhausting, especially if the kid is a borderline sociopath and is a 100% taker.

You're trying to enforce rules on a kid who will do everything in their power to get around them... and you say there's a consequence to that 9pm curfew for a minor, but then he calls one night and will be 2 minutes late... then 5 minutes late one night... then just needs to get gas. Then when you hand out a consequence, they sneak out overnight instead.

Now multiply that by 10 or 20 or however many rules you need for someone to live there.... rent and one month being $50 short, another month only need another week to pay. Cleanliness/hygiene, drawing lines on respectful behavior that they'll surely walk up to and toe across..... and some excuses/trip-ups might be completely valid while most aren't, so are you enforcing every single one to the letter no matter what?

It might as well be a contract that has to be followed to the letter no matter what, and the first consequence is being kicked out, no argument or questions... or else you basically need a level of enforcement on par with the military or prison.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Hunter gathers are estimated to have spent about 2 hours per day on fulfilling nutritional needs. Life expectancies close to modern humans.

With monocrop agriculture came long work hours and plummeting life expectancy.

It sounds like the cavemen had it right, then. Granted, those two hours may have been fighting a cave bear, but then you've got the rest of the day to make petroglyphs.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Hunter gathers are estimated to have spent about 2 hours per day on fulfilling nutritional needs. Life expectancies close to modern humans.

With monocrop agriculture came long work hours and plummeting life expectancy.

This is actually pretty interesting to me.

Anatomically modern humans have been around for like 200,000 years or something ridiculous like that. That number goes up to about 2,500,000 years if you include our tool-making predecessors.

Just to keep it simple, though, let's stick with the anatomically modern humans. We invented agriculture maybe like 15,000-ish years ago..? So you're looking at about 185,000 years of hunting and gathering. From that entire period, we have very little to show for it. Insanely high infant mortality rates, not a single cure for disease, no lasting structures or cities.

It blows, but objectively speaking, the advent of agriculture which led to the specialization of labor has to be one of the greatest things that's happened for the species as a whole.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Hunter gathers are estimated to have spent about 2 hours per day on fulfilling nutritional needs.

And just imagine when they figured out how to make the women do it and they went to the bar

[Spott]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

This is actually pretty interesting to me.

Anatomically modern humans have been around for like 200,000 years or something ridiculous like that. That number goes up to about 2,500,000 years if you include our tool-making predecessors.

Just to keep it simple, though, let's stick with the anatomically modern humans. We invented agriculture maybe like 15,000-ish years ago..? So you're looking at about 185,000 years of hunting and gathering. From that entire period, we have very little to show for it. Insanely high infant mortality rates, not a single cure for disease, no lasting structures or cities.

It blows, but objectively speaking, the advent of agriculture which led to the specialization of labor has to be one of the greatest things that's happened for the species as a whole.

How can this be possible when the Earth is only 600 years old?

[Ming the Merciless]

have him sign a contract in writing, agreeing to terms.


if he violates them, evict him.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

This is actually pretty interesting to me.

Anatomically modern humans have been around for like 200,000 years or something ridiculous like that. That number goes up to about 2,500,000 years if you include our tool-making predecessors.

Just to keep it simple, though, let's stick with the anatomically modern humans. We invented agriculture maybe like 15,000-ish years ago..? So you're looking at about 185,000 years of hunting and gathering. From that entire period, we have very little to show for it. Insanely high infant mortality rates, not a single cure for disease, no lasting structures or cities.

It blows, but objectively speaking, the advent of agriculture which led to the specialization of labor has to be one of the greatest things that's happened for the species as a whole.

I've never thought about this, but I wonder if a big part of that was the ability to record and spread ideas. If a guy in an isolated tribe learned how to build a stone helicopter, it was a probably a big deal for a 30 mile radius and then stopped being a big deal when he died. But it didn't spread. But once you had agriculture, you started developing systems for communication and tracking ownership and other things, and that meant that new ideas got preserved and disseminated.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

And just imagine when they figured out how to make the women do it and they went to the bar

Three words: lotta group sex.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....x-at-dawn/amp/

[Eureka]

This might be the best option if you can get him to sign up.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It sounds like the cavemen had it right, then. Granted, those two hours may have been fighting a cave bear, but then you've got the rest of the day to make petroglyphs.

And interbreed with Neandertals

[The Franchise]

DO NOT. I REPEAT DO NOT just sign him up for the military unless it’s 100% his choice. Don’t force him into that shit.

If he gets to basic and wants out…he’s going to **** up his life even worse.

[ptlyon]

"You get a goddamn job before sundown, or were shipping ya off to military school with the god damn Finkelstein shit-kid! Son of a-bitch!"

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by tooge

And interbreed with Neandertals

And they're easy. Bring them a knapped flint tool and they'll let you do things that the cro-magnon girls won't.