College athletes on their way to a union.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by mrroandrro

Game changer no doubt. The successful programs will be the ones with the deepest pockets. Imagine if Peyton Manning decided not to go to the NFL cuz Tennessee offered him more to stay. Wonder if there will be a cap or ceiling as to what they can be paid? The bidding wars for high school athletes could be ridiculous, with the top players doing the LeBron on ESPN. This is gonna be crazy.

Why would there be a salary cap?

They want complete free market ... no more school recruiting, it's about free agency right out of high school.

75% of school won't be able to compete.

Schools like Harvard and Duke will become national powers in all sports.

schools like KU,KSU and probably even Mizzou will become division 2

[philfree]

So do they get workers comp if they sprain their ankle?

[greatgooglymoogly]

It would be interesting to see where top recruits go. Would universities in right to work states be at a disadvantage?

[Bob Dole]

In case it has not yet been pointed out, this ruling only applies to private schools.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

In case it has not yet been pointed out, this ruling only applies to private schools.

Well, right now it only applies to the Northwestern football team. (and if they negotiated something, Northwestern would then have to give something similar to their female athletes)

Other private schools, and universities whose states allow public employees to unionize would probably be able to cite it, though.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Well, right now it only applies to the Northwestern football team. (and if they negotiated something, Northwestern would then have to give something similar to their female athletes)

Other private schools, and universities whose states allow public employees to unionize would probably be able to cite it, though.

The NLRB doesn't have any authority in regards to the public schools. But I don't see that eventually stopping them.

I think the athletes probably don't see the down side of this...all they see is the money someone is telling them they will get. Never turns out to be the gold mine everyone promises.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Well, right now it only applies to the Northwestern football team. (and if they negotiated something, Northwestern would then have to give something similar to their female athletes)

Other private schools, and universities whose states allow public employees to unionize would probably be able to cite it, though.

So private schools and public schools in Kalifornia.

[bowener]

Why can't the NCAA require schools to pay their athletes at least the average of all work study jobs on that campus? They could even institute a profit sharing payout where the NCAA pays a percentage of the hourly wage paid to each player for worked hours.

[chiefzilla1501]

Here's my view. If the ncaa wants to be a nonprofit then act like it instead of creating this fat cat system where a ton of profit off the indentured servitude of unpaid players. And loosen the unbelievably stupid rules about player payment outside the ncaa. Let good players get sponsorships and after their college years over, at least let them get paid for their likeness.

It's not enough to say they get free tuition. The average football player practices 45 hours a week. That is a full time job plus overtime. And unlike regular students, they can't earn a single penny elsewhere. Can't work another job. Can't even get a free lunch, let alone sell their own stuff online.

And the idea that these kids are getting a free education is silly in a system that wilfully cuts scholarships at will if the player becomes ineffective, and where players are constantly practicing or on the road. If you want to call it an educational benefit, then commit to a better student life for them or at least let them stay in school beyond their football years.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's my view. If the ncaa wants to be a nonprofit then act like it instead of creating this fat cat system where a ton of profit off the indentured servitude of unpaid players. And loosen the unbelievably stupid rules about player payment outside the ncaa. Let good players get sponsorships and after their college years over, at least let them get paid for their likeness.

It's not enough to say they get free tuition. The average football player practices 45 hours a week. That is a full time job plus overtime. And unlike regular students, they can't earn a single penny elsewhere. Can't work another job. Can't even get a free lunch, let alone sell their own stuff online.

And the idea that these kids are getting a free education is silly in a system that wilfully cuts scholarships at will if the player becomes ineffective, and where players are constantly practicing or on the road. If you want to call it an educational benefit, then commit to a better student life for them or at least let them stay in school beyond their football years.

This is a very narrow view of college athletics. The golden goose of big time college sports has grown at breakneck speed in a very small amount of time. It's not like these schools created these sports as a cash cow. The explosion of the most popular spectator sports and the television contracts that go with them is a relatively new phenomenon. And the schools are bound by NCAA rules that tied their hands on how that money trickles down to the athlete. Those rules exist in the name of parity, not profit. Designed to give athletes, as well as fans, relatively equal opportunities at every school.

It's not as if colleges back in the 1800s decided to create athletic programs to exploit students for a windfall. All of the rules in place that keep schools from passing that money on are also responsible for the scale of college spectator sports. You want these guys to be paid a wage commensurate with their value? Enjoy your 20 team college football league.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jspchief

This is a very narrow view of college athletics. The golden goose of big time college sports has grown at breakneck speed in a very small amount of time. It's not like these schools created these sports as a cash cow. The explosion of the most popular spectator sports and the television contracts that go with them is a relatively new phenomenon. And the schools are bound by NCAA rules that tied their hands on how that money trickles down to the athlete. Those rules exist in the name of parity, not profit. Designed to give athletes, as well as fans, relatively equal opportunities at every school.

It's not as if colleges back in the 1800s decided to create athletic programs to exploit students for a windfall. All of the rules in place that keep schools from passing that money on are also responsible for the scale of college spectator sports. You want these guys to be paid a wage commensurate with their value? Enjoy your 20 team college football league.

I'm not a fan of unionizing or paying a wage. But again, if you're the NCAA, stop the bullshit of calling yourself a nonprofit then whoring out these players and pretending all of that money goes back into the schools. And lift these ridiculous rules around players getting paid for legit activities. If they want to find a good job to support themselves, let them do it. If they want to sell off their own stuff? Let them do it. Hell, it might teach them the responsibility they badly lack today.

[Jimmya]

It's really a bad deal. Had some women on Fox Sports talking about they will sue if they don't get paid the same as football players.

[BeeHo]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

It's really a bad deal. Had some women on Fox Sports talking about they will sue if they don't get paid the same as football players.

they're being ridiculous. assume gymnastics women getting paid the same as best college football programs, and logistically their demands force the gymnastic program to close. with enough programs forcing to close wouldn't then a school lose it's division status or membership in their conference?

cray cray

[blaise]

Going to be a lot of colleges pulling the old, "We only break even after travel, coaches salaries and stadium expenses," in a few years.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by blaise

Going to be a lot of colleges pulling the old, "We only break even after travel, coaches salaries and stadium expenses," in a few years.

Many of them won't be lying.