Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 148

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-17-2018, 11:50 AM

Most of the roster is still under contract in 2019. I’m looking for Veach to tag Ford, extend Hill and maybe Jones, slap some RFA/ERFA rags on young talent, and make just a couple of signings in FA. Not much. Maybe Earl Thomas?

But at the end of the day I think he wants to build this franchise through the draft primarily while sprinkling in signings here and there that make a lot of sense. And with a good set of draft picks coming in 2019, I look forward to seeing what he can do. All of his 2018 picks have flashed in some way at this point outside of McKenzie who is redshirting with a lot of potential.

We can build a true dynasty with this franchise’s leadership + Mahomes IMO. Hell, I still look at this 2018 roster and see a potential Super Bowl winner if they can catch some luck with health. They have stars at the most important places. They can score on anyone, they can rush the passer as good as anyone with 4 guys, and the secondary is coming together with EB potentially being the final piece. Can’t forget DOD who helps a ton by covering backs.

FloridaMan88 · 11-17-2018, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

A reporter saying he saw Berry running and doing a few drills is the same as your dumb ass making claims based off nothing more than your 13 year old girl level emotions?

You continue to become unhinged in your role as Chair of the Eric Berry Apologists.

What “dumbass claims based on nothing” do you think I am making?

The fact Eric Berry hasn’t practiced, even as a “limited participant” in 98 days?

The fact Eric Berry has been designated with a minor injury designation... “day to day” for an unusually long amount of time?

Explain how these are baseless claims.

RunKC · 11-17-2018, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Most of the roster is still under contract in 2019. I’m looking for Veach to tag Ford, extend Hill and maybe Jones, slap some RFA/ERFA rags on young talent, and make just a couple of signings in FA. Not much. Maybe Earl Thomas?

But at the end of the day I think he wants to build this franchise through the draft primarily while sprinkling in signings here and there that make a lot of sense. And with a good set of draft picks coming in 2019, I look forward to seeing what he can do. All of his 2018 picks have flashed in some way at this point outside of McKenzie who is redshirting with a lot of potential.

We can build a true dynasty with this franchise’s leadership + Mahomes IMO. Hell, I still look at this 2018 roster and see a potential Super Bowl winner if they can catch some luck with health. They have stars at the most important places. They can score on anyone, they can rush the passer as good as anyone with 4 guys, and the secondary is coming together with EB potentially being the final piece. Can’t forget DOD who helps a ton by covering backs.

Yeah I’m sour on paying Earl Thomas big money, because that’s the only way he signs with anyone.

I agree with you on the draft. The best way to mitigate Eric Berry’s contract is to draft cheap young talent.

I think the formula should be to use big resources on pass rushers and simply draft (or pay reasonable money) to literally every other position unless they are a star.

Defense looks a lot better because we got Scandrick, Fuller, Williams, Lucas and our draft picks. None of those guys are stars or even well known by national media, but they are solid guys who aren’t dumpster fires like Ron Parker.

I think this is where the league is heading.

**TrebMaxx** · 11-17-2018, 03:19 PM

Maybe the thread title should be changed to "Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity in his head".

PAChiefsGuy · 11-17-2018, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

You continue to become unhinged in your role as Chair of the Eric Berry Apologists.

What “dumbass claims based on nothing” do you think I am making?

The fact Eric Berry hasn’t practiced, even as a “limited participant” in 98 days?

The fact Eric Berry has been designated with a minor injury designation... “day to day” for an unusually long amount of time?

Explain how these are baseless claims.

The day-to-day injury report is not Eric Berrys decision. That is on the Chiefs medical staff and Andy Reid. If you have an issue with that you need to take it up with them.

Personally I'm ignoring it. When he is back practicing then I'll pay more attention to the injury report until then they can say whatever the hell they want. It doesn't mean shit until he starts practicing...

They are not required to give us or opposing teams any more information than the injury report. Why should they? I'm sure they don't want opponents knowing any more about the injury than they need to. Teams will and do target players injuries.

Also, calling people Eric Berry apologists for not calling him names is just stupid. There's nothing to apologize for. The guy is hurt and can't play. End of story.

You want me to believe that he is faking the injury because he is mad at the Chiefs? That makes absolutely no sense. He wouldn't be on the sidelines every game if that was the case. Also, if it was that easy to fake an injury don't you think other players would do the same thing?

Once again I wouldn't worry about it. It's frustrating for everyone, yes, and I 100% back cutting him after this season if he doesn't come back and play at a Pro Bowl level soon and I may even support it even if he does but his injury is no reason to hate the guy. He's been nothing but a class act since he's been here and he stuck with us even when we sucked when he didn't have to.

-King- · 11-17-2018, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Packers pay players. See: Devante Adams.

What the Packers don't do is give Ha Ha Clinton Dix 70 million dollars. See: Chiefs.

Packers are also a low key shitty organization that got lucky with quarterbacks.
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Marcellus · 11-17-2018, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

Packers are also a low key shitty organization that got lucky with quarterbacks.
Posted via Mobile Device

No shit, a better way of putting it is the Packers have wasted most of Rodgers career by no putting talent around him via draft or FA.

What a dumb team to use as a comparison but then again some moron just compared Clinton-Dix to Eric Berry.

Flying High D · 11-17-2018, 05:32 PM

^ That is a stupid comparison, good call. One actually plays on the field while the other plays a homeless pussy on a NFL sideline.

Marcellus · 11-17-2018, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D

^ That is a stupid comparison, good call. One actually plays on the field while the other plays a homeless pussy on a NFL sideline.

Yea he is a pussy.

And Dix is so good the Packers gave him away and they need defense.

**BossChief** · 11-17-2018, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Packers pay players. See: Devante Adams.

What the Packers don't do is give Ha Ha Clinton Dix 70 million dollars. See: Chiefs.

Nick Perry gets 12m per and has only had 1 year with more than 7 sacks
Mike Daniels has only made 1 pro bowl and makes over 10m per

If they didn’t luck out by Aaron Rodgers falling in their laps, that’s a bottom 5 team in the nfl.

FloridaMan88 · 11-17-2018, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Also, calling people Eric Berry apologists for not calling him names is just stupid. There's nothing to apologize for. The guy is hurt and can't play. End of story.

Rambling stream of consciousness from the dumbshit who enjoys Alex Smith's dick with a splash of Eric Berry Haglund.

Wonderful.

**TribalElder** · 11-17-2018, 10:17 PM

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1064005526336536576

Bosa expected to play Sunday vs

GloryDayz · 11-17-2018, 10:31 PM

Berry:

Yup, a pussy!

staylor26 · 11-17-2018, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1064005526336536576

Bosa expected to play Sunday vs

Another good thing about that Thursday game is it should be tough on him so early in his comeback.

GloryDayz · 11-17-2018, 10:34 PM

Might play before Berry:

Image: Not Safe for Work

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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1946899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. 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