***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

No, but it is saving lives...



https://thehill.com/changing-america...c-accidents-in

We could save many lives by not allowing people to drive, or just confining them to their homes, only to leave for essential items. However, it is not sustainable, therefore the legit discussion on who should follow strict guidelines until a working therapeutic or vaccination is introduced.

I agree and it is also helping the environment , and I agree it is not sustainable but for everyday extra day we can manage to do it will reduce the chances of a relapse and going back to square one.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

I never asked you too.




Los Angeles County total population: 9,818,605/4,751 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

NYC total population: 8,175,133/468.484 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

If we account for density, NYC is a very unique place, and it should be treated differently, than say, Florida or Nebraska.

The Hospitals in NYC have been bee hives. Nurses, cops, patients in and out every day, subways open.... it's a perfect petri dish for spreading a contagion. Thats for every virus, every bacteria, every germ, every year. This year isn't any different.

I'm not seeing the correlation between keeping healthy people locked up in their homes indefinitely. I'm not seeing it because it can't be quantified. And yet policy continues to be made adversely affecting the general population based on assumptions. This is wrong.

If we had done the same exact thing in February of 2013, 43,000 people still probably would have died from the Flu. My assumption is no less valid than anyone else's, even Doctor Fauci.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

If we had done the same exact thing in February of 2013, 43,000 people still probably would have died from the Flu. My assumption is no less valid than anyone else's, even Doctor Fauci.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The single best distillation of Dunning Kruger Planet I've ever seen.

OH OH OH

[Bearcat]

DAMNIT, STUMPPY!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

I never asked you too.




Los Angeles County total population: 9,818,605/4,751 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

NYC total population: 8,175,133/468.484 sq mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City



If we had done the same exact thing in February of 2013, 43,000 people still probably would have died from the Flu. My assumption is no less valid than anyone else's, even Doctor Fauci.

I still don't understand why people trying to downplay COVID are comparing it to a very deadly virus people should be more fearful of, seems odd to me.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

Excellent post.

Don't know if I'm asking for agreement, I just think there can be healthy discourse that isn't political. I would like to make another point though, this thread should be apolitcal, but hopefully also with little to no insults, as healthy discourse is important.

DC is for political and unhealthy insults... It's sport over there... and to some degree expected.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

DAMNIT, STUMPPY!

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The single best distillation of Dunning Kruger Planet I've ever seen.

Actually, the most prevalent example of Dunning Kruger is the person who suggests somebody else is an example.

(That would be you, loser).

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

Actually, the most prevalent example of Dunning Kruger is the person who suggests somebody else is an example.

(That would be you, loser).

This from the guy who divided 330million people into 500 million dollars and come up with over 1 million dollars per person. With a very apropos user name as well.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Don't know if I'm asking for agreement, I just think there can be healthy discourse that isn't political. I would like to make another point though, this thread should be apolitcal, but hopefully also with little to no insults, as healthy discourse is important.

DC is for political and unhealthy insults... It's sport over there... and to some degree expected.

I've been civil and apolitical. Unfortunately I've had to retaliate in kind towards some brash and bold fellows.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

DAMNIT, STUMPPY!

It's about time he got booted.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The single best distillation of Dunning Kruger Planet I've ever seen.

You're dealing with someone who said that if you stay out of hospitals, nursing homes and NYC and you won't get infected.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

It's about time he got booted.

HEY!

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Cmon now not all healthcare workers specialize in this type of thing, like I don't think the guy who did my knee scope is doing virus pandemic medicine.

Well then let's fire his non-essential ass.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

Actually, the most prevalent example of Dunning Kruger is the person who suggests somebody else is an example.

(That would be you, loser).

Back to DC with you.