Okay, so what *is* your plan for the 2023 passrush?

[Direckshun]

Alright, it's bleeding into multiple threads, so let's forge a master thread to control all others, and into this thread we will pour our cruelty, our malice, and our will to dominate all life. Truly a thread to rule them all.

You guys shat on me when I wanted to pour two 1sts into Brian Burns. You guys shat on me when I wanted to pour two 1sts into Josh Allen. And just for fun a couple of you guys were jerks when I wanted to go sign Bradley Chubb this coming offseason.

Just a bunch of meanies.

So what is your plan, exactly? This team needs a front four that can get pressure, Karlaftis isn't developing with the speed we'd like, and Jones is the only guy who can get to the QB.

What's your plan?

Here's the free agent passrushers this coming offseason. And the Chiefs do have 11 draft picks, but only one 1st, one 2nd, and one 3rd.

Are you going to burn a 1st? You're probably going to need that 1st (plus additional ammo) to get the offensive tackle you're simultaneously complaining we need to replace Brown at LT. If you take the 1st for DL, you're tagging and/or extending Brown, and you should say so.

I assume you're cutting Frank Clark, so the Chiefs will have about $50m to play with, but this is your 2023 depth chart right now:

DE: Danna, Herring
DT: Jones,
DT:
DE: Karlaftis, Kaindoh

That's it, suckers. You're probably going to need to add two DEs, and three DTs, minimum.

Current Chiefs who will be RFA: Wharton

Current Chiefs who will be FA: Saunders, Nnadi, Dunlap, Stallworth, Shelton, Azur Kamara

So what's your plan? kccrow's? His top three DEs are Karlaftis, Mike Danna, and Dawuane Smoot. I'm underwhelmed and ashamed.

Whatever your plan is, be prepared for me to hate it. I just hate it already.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, trading for any of those 3 would have required the first round pick you want to spend on a LT. You cannot do BOTH.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Why are you spending a 1st on a LT when your own scenario means you DO NOT NOT HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK?

Nope, you're confused. You realize I have links to all of this, right? And I've provided it in the OP? This isn't disputable.

In late October, my plan was to draft a tackle in the 1st and sign a premier DE like Chubb in FA.

Before the trade deadline, my plan was to extend Brown and trade the 1st (plus more) for a premier DE.

Now, I don't know what my plan is. It probably involves extending Brown and drafting DL in the 1st. But I don't like that plan remotely, compared to the other two above.

[htismaqe]

So your plan was to acquire Chubb in free agency? Outbidding 31 other teams?

Never ever going to happen. You should focus on realistic scenarios.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So your plan was to acquire Chubb in free agency? Outbidding 31 other teams?

Never ever going to happen. You should focus on realistic scenarios.

Yes, I would have paid retail for Chubb.

Because we have a really good cap situation and you need very good passrushers to win Super Bowls.

Your plan was to spend a boatload of draft picks and you still haven't clarified what you'd do with Orlando Brown if you burned that 1st on DL.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Danna can play as hard as he wants but he can't magically become a great passrusher. Karlaftis I really like but I don't think we can pin our hopes on him being DE1 at this point. They're good players but they're not what you build a Super Bowl caliber DE position out of. Dunlap, Ingram, Key, these are all good-not-greats.

There are no top flight pass rushers in FA next year. But there are always guys like Melvin Ingram, Justin Houston, Carlos Dunlap and Jerry Hughes that are older and cheaper but still very effective. Those are great rotational guys.

Btw Danna has been a very nice rotational rusher. Karlaftis is gonna be a starter next year.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Are you extending Orlando Brown? If not, why are you possibly spending a 1st at DE?

I am not extending Brown, but I think Veach is. He’s hanging out with Patrick outside of football and Veach loves him. It’s happening.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

All three DTs you have on your roster, none of them are premier run stuffers. What's the plan there? (Edit: I just saw you extended Saunders.)

This is all hopes and prayers.

Run stuffers are not hard to find. They can be had in FA or day 3 of the draft. Danny Shelton for example is on the PS.

And if I’m Veach I’m looking at the best places to find a DE and RT: the first 2 rds of the draft

[O.city]

Sign obj

Evaluate the de spot like you did the LT spot last offseason. If you don’t like what’s potentially there when you’re gonna be picking, re engage some of these teams about trading for their guy.

Draft another one in the 3rd to develop

[O.city]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000585495237

Middlekauf was a scout for Andy and knows Veach pretty well. Him and cowherd talk about the draft in this it’s a good listen

[Megatron96]

Seems pretty straightforward:

Trade Nnadi and Danna for Aaron Donald and Bobby Wagner. Trade Kaindoh for Micah Parsons.

Problem solved!

[kccrow]

lol.

To be fair, Dewuane Smoot is a better football player than Frank Clark can hope to be right now so that's an improvement no matter what. I did also mention elsewhere that if money permits you also add another one of similar caliber like Rasheem Greene or Charles Omenihu.

I also added a 4th round pass rusher in Keion White who you may just want to watch and I may have to move up in the future, to probably the 2nd round but at least the 3rd.

I also added at DT with Pickens in the 3rd to pair with keeping Saunders and Wharton.

I mean, that's 3 guys in one offseason which is likely what you can expect.

There isn't a big-named pass rusher available in free agency so you're already sucking wind there.

Now... IF KC re-signs OBJr, then I'm probably all in on going up for Notre Dame's Isaiah Foskey.

You know how I feel about OBJr though and it isn't positive in any way, shape, or form. I'd rather have protection for Mahomes and wait a year on the pass rush, which can still be similarly effective with my plan, than to trudge on with absolute garbage at tackle.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, you're talking in circles.

If LT HAS to be addressed, you won't have a 1st round pick, whether you take a DE there or traded it away. Either way, you don't have the ammo to go get a LT.

say it with me....

Yosh Nijman.

[Chris Meck]

I'd bring back Saunders and Wharton. That's one at each DT spot, nose and 3.

I'm keeping Jones. Yeah, I know, 'spensive. But he's a rare talent, and **** it, I like him. So I need another run stuffing big boy, but those are the least expensive guys.

Clark walks.

I'm picking up Yosh Nijman for anything other than a first round tender so I can let Brown walk, and I save myself $10-15m per. Think a 3rd would do it?

I take a flier on Clelin Ferrell because I just cannot fathom how he fell so far so fast. It makes no sense. Veach special reclamation project.

I'll take Yannick Ngakoue at his current $13m per. He's your pass rush specialist.

George, Ngakoue, Ferrell, Danna, and an Ingram/Dunlap special vet with a little left in the tank looks better than '22.

Then, since I fixed my LT position, I'm looking DE in the draft.

[JPH83]

I get the value we're putting on DE, it's the obvious need and it's a pass-happy league etc etc. But I honestly think we just need "better" not "elite". I'd love a Burns or Allen but at this point I'd take a genuine run stuffing DT and a middling situational pass-rusher.

Combine that with Spags' blitz packages, a solid LB core and, hopefully, an ascending and improved secondary and I honestly think that's plenty.

Unless the cupboard is totally bare at OT, and/or a complete stud DE falls to us, I'd be hard pressed not to invest the first pick on a tackle. R2 I'd be looking for whoever is left at DE who is a pure speed, situational rusher. Can they set an edge? Don't care. I just want juice.

R3 I'm probably going WR as there's a decent chance I'd be letting MVS go. Could absolutely bite me on the arse but I want to keep investing at the position in the draft. R4 I'm going back to DL and looking for basically whatever is left. Assuming there's not much at DE I'd probably prioritise a grotesquely obese run stuffer.

In FA and in line with my "better not elite" approach, which is just as well because there aint much elite next year. I'd be looking at Arden Key if the money wasn't too high, Omenihu as kccrow suggests (I think the SF DL makes him look a little better than he is), honestly probably even the ancient Ingram, or Ximines who seems like he might be having a break-out year for the Giants (kinda relying on PFF on this one so...maybe not).

If all else fails I'd just look at further strengthening at DT with someone like Ioannides, Chris Wormley or Rankins

[JPH83]

As long as Clark is gone and Veach doesn't sink resources into guys like Jarran Reed I think there's a lot of opportunity to improve this DL.

[JPH83]

If anyone wants to have a load of fun drafting completely unrealistic prospects I'd recommend the PFN draft simulator. Let me have Skoronski R1 and Jared Verse R2 - yes please!

[Stro39]

You guys have to take the Packers lesson, draft the best weapon for Mahomes you can get in the first round (the Packers really never went all in on Rodgers, look at the 2020 draft who they could have taken/or traded up for Jefferson instead of Love for example).

Throw all in on the incredible QB you have. If there's someone the FO loves as a Mahomes target, trade up to get him, sell the farm. You are in a unique position. Defence you can fill out other ways. If there's someone the FO thinks is super elite, throw all of it to get them.

As a contender you are unique free agent destination, you can fill out the roster in other ways. Gotta get that Tyreek fill in tho to really go at it in January this season and in future years. Mahomes is a unique talent, throw all the dice on him.

Edit: apolgies for putting this in a pass-rush thread.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Stro39

You guys have to take the Packers lesson, draft the best weapon for Mahomes you can get in the first round (the Packers really never went all in on Rodgers, look at the 2020 draft who they could have taken/or traded up for Jefferson instead of Love for example).

Throw all in on the incredible QB you have. If there's someone the FO loves as a Mahomes target, trade up to get him, sell the farm. You are in a unique position. Defence you can fill out other ways. If there's someone the FO thinks is super elite, throw all of it to get them.

As a contender you are unique free agent destination, you can fill out the roster in other ways. Gotta get that Tyreek fill in tho to really go at it in January this season and in future years. Mahomes is a unique talent, throw all the dice on him.

This has pretty much been my attitude. I really do not care about building out the D as much as I do keeping the offence elite. But I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle. Last year I was banging the drum for a double dip at WR, that was before the putrid OT play we've seen this year. That's why I'd prioritise OT now.

Either way it's about giving Mahomes time and options. Right now he's battling with bad OT play and middling WR play and still winning. If a stud WR fell to us in R1, cool, I wouldn't hate pulling the trigger on it. But they better be involved quickly and be an early separator if we have these OTs. My lean towards OT is because it's hopefully giving Mahomes and average WRs more time but also it's stopping Mahomes getting killed.

I'd still probably swing for DE/DT with at least one early pick because it's such a glaring weakness and making us better there should make the whole defence better.