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But he was close, right . A MLB is not going to be there on all plays, if has trouble sheading blocks, he has to be smarter on his attack.
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Again, watch the video (you can see the highlight reel on buccaneers.com for free) and you can clearly see that Mitchell was about the only player on the defense that was where he was supposed to be. If Fujita had not bit too early and Wesley had been where he was supposed to be we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. I just watched the video again and no matter how you look at it Mitchell was where he was supposed to be but there was a blocker right there to pick him up. Warfield made an attempt at a shitty arm tackle, Fujita gets knocked on his ass by a tight end and Wesley runs right by the play at hand before he even knows what the hell is going on. |
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If he had timed his impact to hiit the HB instead of the pulling guard, he could have made a tackle. Again, unless you have gang tackling players on a play or you are the baddest mojo around and can shead any block, time your hit after the guard goes thru the hole. If the guard slows down to to block you, the hole is not opened or at least slowed down to allow others to shed off blocks. Everybody was blocked straight up, Mitchell got there so fast that when the guard turned the corner, he had Mitchell straight up. Touchdown Tampa.
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If you want to have a whos right war and act like a child then there is no need in continuing this conversation. I am telling you that I am watching the damned replay of the play over and over and unless Mitchell has a rocket up his ass and someone else picks up the blocker before he gets there it would be impossible for him to "time his impact to hiit the HB instead of the pulling guard". You don't have to believe me, watch the video, I watched it at least 8 times and come to the same conclusion, Mitchell holds back until he knows where Pittman is, then pursues and low and behold there is a blocker right in front of him that not a single person touched. I suppose he could have stepped back for another second and watched Pittman run by him, or did a flying sommersault over over the blocker and tackled Pittman. Now there is only one other flaw that I see, as best I can tell from this video that "pulling guard" that you speak up hits Warfield and Mitchell is actually blocked by the fullback Jameel Cook whom Pittman is directly behind. |
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I have to agree with Roy. I think Mitchell got there fast enough but, he got blocked right out of the play. It appeared to me that he overpursued and then didn't shed his block like he is supposed to do. That long run is on Kawika, IMO. And yes, I did watch the replay.
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Mitchell over ran it, got there too fast where he became an easy block instead of making a tackle. As for a game, I have no games intended, but if you continue failing to see the film as it is, it doesn't matter, you will be right in your own mind. If you have seen it 8 times, look at it a 9th, look at it as if Mitchell was a step slower, the blocker done came thru the line, BOOM, Mitchell has a tackle. Watch it again.
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Pittman was right on the fullbacks tail, one step slower and Mitchell would have been blocked by the fullback one step to the left and Pittman would have blown by him all the same. What it boils down to is there was a fullback untouched blocking for a running back that was right behind him running full steam and unless some other player picks up that block Mitchell takes it. If Wesley had been in position for run support instead of being in front of the play and Fujita had not been immediately knocked on his ass by the tight end pulling inside the fullback would have had to pick them up and Mitchell would have made the tackle. To think he should have broken a tackle or just ran right through a fullback running full steam and still tackle an RB running full steam is utterly ridiculas. There might have been a 10th of a second from the time the fullback hits mitchell to the time that Pittman ran by him for him to "time the point of contact". |
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Whatever, I'm working right now, I have the game taped, I'll re wtach it and see who is right and who is wrong.
The point of others being out of place, I agree on, plus it could very well be a FB instead of the guard, what I do remeber well is that Mitchell got there quick and was an easy target for a blocker. BRB.
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Just watched it again, there wasn't even that much time. When the fullback hits Mitchell Pittman already has a step to the outside when you pause the video. I would also like to note that Mitchell likely didn't see the fullback until it was too late as it appears that he turns the corner and then comes out from behind Fujita getting drilled with about 1 and 1/2 seconds before impact on Mitchell. |
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I am not saying Mitchell is fabulous by any means but IMO he did the best he could do in that situation and with ANY sort of help at all he would/could have made the play. At any rate without the hold on the shoulder pads pulling the left end to the inside the play would have been squashed immediately. |
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I really hope Gunther is allowed to bring in his own secondary coach next year.
The constant there is Peter Guinta and he sucks.
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To chiefz ...
I owe you an apology, I got my plays confused, you are correct on this one. Not sure how I confused it with a different play. Since I have watched it again .... # 1 Warfield was blocked by the puling guard. # 2 Mitchell drops back in coverage at the snap # 3 Fuji is blocked out by the reciever # 4.Caver was tyied up in a poor block coming down the line, bad on Caver, that was a weak block and no effort from him to get the play. # 5. Mitchell was attacking head on due to his backing up in coverage # 6. Wesley didn't come in to seal the run, he played containment to the outside, which was applied to Warfields presence. Bad move by Wesley. # 7 Woods... Not sure what his problem was, he came into the picture after Pittman had done blown past Mitchell and wesley. Again I have this particular play confused with a different one I saw that day. My hat is off to you, stand up and take a bow ! OK, Mitchell backed up instead of attacking on a pitch out. He still goofed, right ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I hate this when I'm wrong !
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