Chiefs Great Manning Read. Closer To Reality

kczoo · 03-20-2012, 05:46 AM

PEYTON MANNING BRINGS LEADERSHIP, BULL'S-EYE TO BRONCOS By: Steve Wyche | NFL Network Published: March 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The immediate gushing by Denver Broncos players over the acquisition of future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning , while emotionally expected, should give fans pause. As great as Manning has been, he is not the sole missing piece. He's close, but relying on him as a crutch is about as dangerous as the Philadelphia Eagles thinking all those flashy transactions last August would make them impenetrable.

The Broncos won the AFC West and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs last season because they played with the aggression of fear. They knew they were a flawed team -- they did lose eight games -- but hid their blemishes with relentlessness, persistence and backed-into-a-corner heart.

The addition of Manning could cause some players to think they've got the crutch, a guy to make up for the weak spots many of them had to compensate for last season. That change in attitude could blow everything up. Manning made it happen in Indianapolis because the team was built around him. He's walking into a roster that is still being sculpted, but with the main pieces already in place for the most part.

Manning is also coming back from nerve and neck injuries that look promising now but could look different after a few AFC West dates with Tamba Hali .

Manning isn't the type to allow for slippage. Whereas many free agents want to feel their way into a new environment and not threaten existing leadership, he walks into town with enough caché to have players following him from the get-go. His abundance of juice made him the only player who could not only douse Tebowmania, but also likely send it packing after Tim Tebow rallied Denver to the playoffs and created a hysteria through effort, belief and something magical.

Manning will hold players accountable and make them take co-ownership. This, after all, will be Manning's last fling at legacy-building and trying to win a Super Bowl.

The Broncos' coaching staff already is shredding much of its playbook from last season, adding its baseline agenda but leaving pages blank for Manning to fill in. The personnel staff is beefing up an offense that lost tight end Daniel Fells and wide receiver Eddie Royal , two nice young players. It's also looking at backup quarterbacks, possibly one in free agency and one to draft.

Frankly, what would be wrong with Denver adding Vince Young and keeping some of the run-pass concepts in its hip pocket in case he's got to play? Young would learn behind one of the best and also give Denver a backup with a twist.

As for the division, Chargers coach Norv Turner said Manning's arrival turned the once one-quarterback AFC West (San Diego's Philip Rivers ) into one that boasts Manning, Oakland's Carson Palmer , Rivers -- and a good Chiefs team. While Denver clearly looks like the March favorite to win the division because of Manning, San Diego quietly has re-stocked in free agency and can't be discounted. The Chiefs won't be a walkover either.

Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West.

Turner said that even though Denver will be much more of a passing team with Manning at the helm, it won't change how San Diego or other teams build their defenses. Since most teams are pass-first, possessing as many pass rushers, defensive backs and players that can tackle in the open field remains a premium.

"The tie-in is how you get ready to play against them knowing he's there," Turner said.

Last season, Broncos' opponents had to game plan for a running team with a running quarterback. This season, Denver will be more orthodox, even though Manning brings his own set of problems for defensive coordinators.

Then again, the guy running things just put a bull's-eye on the Broncos. Denver faces a schedule as unforgiving as John Elway has been to Tebowmania. The non-divisional schedule is the NFC South (Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina), the AFC North (Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh) plus Houston and New England.

Texans linebacker Brian Cushing , who no longer has to face Manning and the Colts twice a season, told me the Texans will be "excited" to play at Denver next season. That's code for: "We beat the Colts with him (rarely) and we'll beat the Broncos with him."

Teams will come at Denver much harder than they came at the Broncos and Tebow last season. Opponents didn't seem to ever take Denver as seriously as they needed to until Tebow made something special happen in the waning moments. Now, they'll be ready before kickoff.

It's a new era in Denver.

Follow Steve Wyche on Twitter @wyche89

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 05:49 AM

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Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 05:51 AM

I expect Manning to do the same thing in Denver that Montana did in Kansas City, and Favre did in Minnesota.

Give the Donks one really good season, then fade fast and irreversibly.

Quesadilla Joe · 03-20-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I expect Manning to do the same thing in Denver that Montana did in Kansas City, and Favre did in Minnesota.

Give the Donks one really good season, then fade fast and irreversibly.

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-20-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

Terrel Davis and that defense isn't walking through that door.

whoman69 · 03-20-2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

You expect up to five more years out of a QB with Manning's medical history. Montana came to the Chiefs with back issues and couldn't stay on the field. Favre came to the Vikes a bit older, but also nursing an arm injury he suffered while with the Jets and could only give one more season. I'd say he will probably last two years, but as soon as the neck problems come up again, he should quit.

I don't know why Brady even comes into the conversation. He's a year younger than Manning, and doesn't have the medical baggage.

Quesadilla Joe · 03-20-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

You expect up to five more years out of a QB with Manning's medical history. Montana came to the Chiefs with back issues and couldn't stay on the field. Favre came to the Vikes a bit older, but also nursing an arm injury he suffered while with the Jets and could only give one more season. I'd say he will probably last two years, but as soon as the neck problems come up again, he should quit.

I don't know why Brady even comes into the conversation. He's a year younger than Manning, and doesn't have the medical baggage.

Those guys played in a different era. The QB's weren't protected back then the way they are now. Manning has taken very few shots throughout his career because of how fast he gets rid of the ball.

His neck will not be an issue, it will be stronger than ever. And the nerves in his arm are regenerating at an alarming rate. Every team that has worked him out has said that he looks like the same Manning from two or three years ago.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-20-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Those guys played in a different era. The QB's weren't protected back then the way they are now. Manning has taken very few shots throughout his career because of how fast he gets rid of the ball.

His neck will not be an issue, it will be stronger than ever. And the nerves in his arm are regenerating at an alarming rate. Every team that has worked him out has said that he looks like the same Manning from two or three years ago.

Now he's a doctor too.

You have no idea how the neck will respond to the hits, the conditions, the elements in Denver.

It's a good move for the immediate future, although the weapons he has suck and Clark and Stokley aren't making them much better.

**Rausch** · 03-20-2012, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years.

JD10367 · 03-20-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Brady will be 35 before the start of the season, and is not coming off major (and possibly career-ending) injury and surgery. And even with that, Brady probably only has three good seasons left in him.

Manning will be 36 in only a few days. He's a year and a half older. In football years, that's significant. I would say "two good seasons" would be about right.

I can see either of them playing into their Favre years but not as effectively by any means.

TheGuardian · 03-20-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So Brady only has two good seasons left in him?

Manning can play at a high level for the next 3-5 years. Elway had some of his best years at the age of 37 and 38 and no QB took more of a pounding throughout their career than Elway.

Brady is 34. So Brady might have 3 good seasons left in him.

Manning is going to play at a high level until he's 41? Are you that ****ing stupid?

Elway's last year he only started 12 games. And second, he had a MUCH better surrounding cast than what Manning has now, or will have next season. It's not even close.

Manning will be good for a couple of more wins than last years team, but not much more. 10 wins or so I'd guess. That's if he manages to make it through the whole season. No one knows how his neck is going to hold up. And if he does get injured again, he's done.

He's not some missing piece to a team that is ready made for a SB run. The Donks have a shit defense and shit offense for the most part. In Indy Manning had weapons galore.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-20-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Manning will be good for a couple of more wins than last years team, but not much more. 10 wins or so I'd guess. That's if he manages to make it through the whole season. No one knows how his neck is going to hold up. And if he does get injured again, he's done.

He's not some missing piece to a team that is ready made for a SB run. The Donks have a shit defense and shit offense for the most part. In Indy Manning had weapons galore.

Whole lot of truth here.

The Broncos D is trash. Their skill position players are average at best.

The line is a terrible pass blocking unit.

Color Red · 03-20-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I expect Manning to do the same thing in Denver that Montana did in Kansas City, and Favre did in Minnesota.

Give the Donks one really good season, then fade fast and irreversibly.

My opinion: Elway thinks the Broncos have a better chance to win the Super Bowl with Manning in the next few years, than to win one with Tebow through all of his career.

Marcellus · 03-20-2012, 05:57 AM

"Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West."

All credibility in this article flew out the window.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-20-2012, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

"Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West."

All credibility in this article flew out the window.

Steve Wyche is Reighters???

03-20-2012, 05:46 AM	Topic Starter
kczoo Donkey Trainer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Marshfield Casino cash: $9864900	Great Manning Read. Closer To Reality PEYTON MANNING BRINGS LEADERSHIP, BULL'S-EYE TO BRONCOS By: Steve Wyche \| NFL Network Published: March 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM The immediate gushing by Denver Broncos players over the acquisition of future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning , while emotionally expected, should give fans pause. As great as Manning has been, he is not the sole missing piece. He's close, but relying on him as a crutch is about as dangerous as the Philadelphia Eagles thinking all those flashy transactions last August would make them impenetrable. The Broncos won the AFC West and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs last season because they played with the aggression of fear. They knew they were a flawed team -- they did lose eight games -- but hid their blemishes with relentlessness, persistence and backed-into-a-corner heart. The addition of Manning could cause some players to think they've got the crutch, a guy to make up for the weak spots many of them had to compensate for last season. That change in attitude could blow everything up. Manning made it happen in Indianapolis because the team was built around him. He's walking into a roster that is still being sculpted, but with the main pieces already in place for the most part. Manning is also coming back from nerve and neck injuries that look promising now but could look different after a few AFC West dates with Tamba Hali . Manning isn't the type to allow for slippage. Whereas many free agents want to feel their way into a new environment and not threaten existing leadership, he walks into town with enough caché to have players following him from the get-go. His abundance of juice made him the only player who could not only douse Tebowmania, but also likely send it packing after Tim Tebow rallied Denver to the playoffs and created a hysteria through effort, belief and something magical. Manning will hold players accountable and make them take co-ownership. This, after all, will be Manning's last fling at legacy-building and trying to win a Super Bowl. The Broncos' coaching staff already is shredding much of its playbook from last season, adding its baseline agenda but leaving pages blank for Manning to fill in. The personnel staff is beefing up an offense that lost tight end Daniel Fells and wide receiver Eddie Royal , two nice young players. It's also looking at backup quarterbacks, possibly one in free agency and one to draft. Frankly, what would be wrong with Denver adding Vince Young and keeping some of the run-pass concepts in its hip pocket in case he's got to play? Young would learn behind one of the best and also give Denver a backup with a twist. As for the division, Chargers coach Norv Turner said Manning's arrival turned the once one-quarterback AFC West (San Diego's Philip Rivers ) into one that boasts Manning, Oakland's Carson Palmer , Rivers -- and a good Chiefs team. While Denver clearly looks like the March favorite to win the division because of Manning, San Diego quietly has re-stocked in free agency and can't be discounted. The Chiefs won't be a walkover either. Nobody knows about the Raiders, but with Palmer having an offseason to get ready, they could be as dangerous as any team in the AFC West. Turner said that even though Denver will be much more of a passing team with Manning at the helm, it won't change how San Diego or other teams build their defenses. Since most teams are pass-first, possessing as many pass rushers, defensive backs and players that can tackle in the open field remains a premium. "The tie-in is how you get ready to play against them knowing he's there," Turner said. Last season, Broncos' opponents had to game plan for a running team with a running quarterback. This season, Denver will be more orthodox, even though Manning brings his own set of problems for defensive coordinators. Then again, the guy running things just put a bull's-eye on the Broncos. Denver faces a schedule as unforgiving as John Elway has been to Tebowmania. The non-divisional schedule is the NFC South (Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina), the AFC North (Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh) plus Houston and New England. Texans linebacker Brian Cushing , who no longer has to face Manning and the Colts twice a season, told me the Texans will be "excited" to play at Denver next season. That's code for: "We beat the Colts with him (rarely) and we'll beat the Broncos with him." Teams will come at Denver much harder than they came at the Broncos and Tebow last season. Opponents didn't seem to ever take Denver as seriously as they needed to until Tebow made something special happen in the waning moments. Now, they'll be ready before kickoff. It's a new era in Denver. Follow Steve Wyche on Twitter @wyche89
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