Chiefs Who Has The Leverage For Trent McDuffie Extension?

fuzzy · Yesterday, 06:58 AM

I've seen people on social media and other websites say that the Chiefs messed up by not extending McDuffie right after the Super Bowl. The logic being that the price is only going to go up. First, that assumes that McDuffie and his agent were willing to immediately sign and we don't know that.

Second, does McDuffie actually have the leverage here? Let's assume McDuffie wants to reset the corner market. That will be over 30M APY after we just recently saw Stingley sign his deal.

The Chiefs are paying 4M in 2025 for McDuffie. And 13M for McDuffie in 2026. That's what he's under contract for. His name is on the dotted line. Then in 2027 we can franchise tag for a below market value price. And we could even tag him again in 2028 for probably below market price. That's 4 full seasons of below market pay.

If Veach decided to play hardball here we could delay McDuffie's free agency until he is 29 years old without ever having to pay him market value.

Are there any NFL teams who want to break the bank for a 29 year corner? This isn't QB or OL or DL where guys can play forever and remain elite well into their 30s. A 29 year old corner is not a good candidate for a long term, mega deal unless the guaranteed money is very low.

Makes you really consider, it seems like the Chiefs have all the leverage here. Not McDuffie.

O.city · Yesterday, 07:02 AM

Price ain't goin up. They know the price now. It is what it is.

fuzzy · Yesterday, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Price ain't goin up. They know the price now. It is what it is.

The Chiefs don't have to pay him what he wants. McDuffie is under contract for 2 more years. And then we can tag him. If we want to play hardball he ain't getting anywhere close to top of the market.

**BigRedChief** · Yesterday, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy

The Chiefs don't have to pay him what he wants. McDuffie is under contract for 2 more years. And then we can tag him. If we want to play hardball he ain't getting anywhere close to top of the market.

No player(as far as I know) has ever played with the team on a 2nd tag year.

fuzzy · Yesterday, 08:37 AM

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No player(as far as I know) has ever played with the team on a 2nd tag year.

Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins. Which is no problem because QBs have all the leverage. They can play forever and they are more important to the success or failure of a team.

**BigRedChief** · Yesterday, 09:46 AM

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No player(as far as I know) has ever played with the team on a 2nd tag year.

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Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins. Which is no problem because QBs have all the leverage. They can play forever and they are more important to the success or failure of a team.

Those were special situations and QB's. There is not a chance in hell that he plays on a 2nd year tag. None.

Chief Roundup · Yesterday, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No player(as far as I know) has ever played with the team on a 2nd tag year.

Yes there has been a couple IIRC one was the. Seahawks OL

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O.city · Yesterday, 07:03 AM

The starting price for an extension starts at the 2 tags. Work from there.

Red Dawg · Yesterday, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The starting price for an extension starts at the 2 tags. Work from there.

Terrible idea. Pay him now.

O.city · Yesterday, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Terrible idea. Pay him now.

The guaranteed $ an agent will start at, is the price of two franchise tags.

DJ's left nut · Yesterday, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The starting price for an extension starts at the 2 tags. Work from there.

Yeah, this shouldn't be that crazy.

$14 million(ish) for the 5th year
$21 million for the first tag
$25 million for the 2nd tag.

Based on Stingley's numbers, about $27 million in 'new' money for the next 2 years should be in the ballpark.

That gets you to about 5 years/$115 million. Push another 6 million into those 2 years and drive them up nearer $30 million/season if you want -- you're still looking at 5/$121 million.

Not at all dissimilar to the Surtain deal at that point. Market may push that up a bit but there aren't a ton of CBs out there due to challenge the top of the market who will push that CB tag figure up a ton.

Ultimatley his hands are tied a bit by the pro bowl snubs that kept his 5th year down and thus won't serve to drive his franchise tag seasons any higher either.

I'd like to get a deal done that would take him through his age 30 season and ensure that he plays his entire prime here. If we can't...aight. I'll keep him through age 28 and let him walk.

Chiefs have plenty of leverage here and most critically, plenty of time.

fuzzy · Yesterday, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, this shouldn't be that crazy.

$14 million(ish) for the 5th year
$21 million for the first tag
$25 million for the 2nd tag.

Based on Stingley's numbers, about $27 million in 'new' money for the next 2 years should be in the ballpark.

That gets you to about 5 years/$115 million. Push another 6 million into those 2 years and drive them up nearer $30 million/season if you want -- you're still looking at 5/$121 million.

Not at all dissimilar to the Surtain deal at that point. Market may push that up a bit but there aren't a ton of CBs out there due to challenge the top of the market who will push that CB tag figure up a ton.

Ultimatley his hands are tied a bit by the pro bowl snubs that kept his 5th year down and thus won't serve to drive his franchise tag seasons any higher either.

I'd like to get a deal done that would take him through his age 30 season and ensure that he plays his entire prime here. If we can't...aight. I'll keep him through age 28 and let him walk.

Chiefs have plenty of leverage here and most critically, plenty of time.

This. If McDuffie would take 23 APY then let's make a deal. But he has no leverage for 30 plus million. He's still under contract for 4m this year. And the lack of pro bowls keeps the 5th year option low.

He could say fine, I'll wait and ride out the contract and the tags, but that is not going to work out for a corner. Teams are looking to move on from corners who are 28 plus.

He's got no leverage.

O.city · Yesterday, 07:05 AM

He's a cornerstone pro bowl player.

They're not gonna jerk him around.

fuzzy · Yesterday, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He's a cornerstone pro bowl player.

They're not gonna jerk him around.

Jerk him around? He's under contract.

O.city · Yesterday, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy

Jerk him around? He's under contract.

Making a guy of that caliber ride out the tag and such would be seen as jerking around.

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