Disturbing video that I have to comment on

[Nzoner]

Sorry for being so morbid today(2nd thread of violence) but I just came across this video on another site and thought it might make for some good discussion as I'm sure if you watch it your emotions will be triggered(no pun intended).

Possibly some of you have seen this or if it's been posted before I apologize.

Before I post the video my take is two-fold and split in that I think law enforcement officers are grossly underpaid and yet in this paticular video I was thinking what a dumbass cop,you've given fair warning,why not just shoot and wound this crazy bastard before he does something crazier.

Below the video is the story,again,fair warning,while not graphic in nature the video is quite disturbing.




Deputy Kyle Dinkheller, Laurens County, GA, was minutes from being off duty when he encountered a speeding pickup truck going 98 mph. The deputy was an ICE (Interstate Criminal Enforcement) officer that dealt with traffic infractions, speeding and the occasional drug bust. This was a low risk or unknown risk stop for speeding. He radioed in the speeding infraction, made a U-turn in the median and pursued the vehicle. The driver, Andrew Brannan, stopped his vehicle, exited and started a crazy, dancing jig in the middle of the road while swearing at the officer and shouting Im a god-damned Vietnam vet. At first, he ignored Dinkhellers commands to step towards the deputy, which always began with `Sir. When he finally complied, he attacked the deputy and a scuffle ensued. The deputy implemented the use of his asp and ordered Brannan to `get back. This procedure was repeated, but after what appeared to be a second scuffle, the suspect returned to his vehicle and retrieved a M-I Carbine from under the seat. The first shots were fired nearly 50 seconds after Brannan returned to his vehicle despite the deputys commands. Brannan ignored the repeated commands to put the gun down and Deputy Dinkheller apparently fired the first shot. Brannan, a Vietnam veteran, advanced firing on the deputy. Dinkheller returned fire, but succeeded only in breaking a window in the drivers side of the pickup and wounding Brannan in the stomach. Using `suppressive fire, Brannan systematically, methodically shot Dinkheller in the arms, legs, exposed areas that would not be covered had Dinkheller been wearing a bulletproof vest, slowly executing him. Reloading his weapon Brannan continued firing with the final death shot to Dinkhellers right eye. "The entire incident was videotaped by a camera in Deputy Dinkheller's patrol car. On January 28, 2000, the suspect was found guilty of murder and was sentenced to death two days later."

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by BIG K

Here lies the reason why not everyone can be in law enforcement. In my very first interview before I became a Sheriff, I was asked could I take someone else's life. It was obvious to me that the officer, peace be to his family, was not capable of taking anothers life. Strange behavior by people is normal but, as soon as he returned to his vehicle, I thought he was going to get a gun and I would have taken cover and pulled my weapon. (Don't bother with the argument that I wasn't in his shoes because I have been)

The officer took the step of asking the guy to drop the weapon, I would not have taken the time to ask. As an officer, if you see a weapon, the persons intent is implied and you cease to negotiate, period. To answer your question, we are trained to "stop" the agression. We train to 'shoot' center of mass, (the body, more defined as the chest area) if they stop and are still alive fine, if they die, oh well. He had a gun and the implied intent was to cause me harm or death, it would have been a justified shoot.

I've been talking to a friend that is in the Marines. I'd heard him say things in the past but never really paid that much attention to them, but the words had to do with shooting a weapon. "Send Death Downrange" is the term.

It has more meaning now than before. I wouldn't want to be in that position, I don't know if I could pull the trigger or not. Props to you for standing in the way of those bullets that might be meant for others.

[Simply Red]

I almost couldn't purposely hand-pick a more 'backwoods' territory in Georgia, if I had to.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by CTTCS_WLR

I've been talking to a friend that is in the Marines. I'd heard him say things in the past but never really paid that much attention to them, but the words had to do with shooting a weapon. "Send Death Downrange" is the term.

It has more meaning now than before. I wouldn't want to be in that position, I don't know if I could pull the trigger or not. Props to you for standing in the way of those bullets that might be meant for others.

I'm sorry, I'm not being a jerk or, not trying to be. But, I totally can't make the connection w. your Marine friend, can you pls. elaborate?

[BIG K]

Originally Posted by CTTCS_WLR

I've been talking to a friend that is in the Marines. I'd heard him say things in the past but never really paid that much attention to them, but the words had to do with shooting a weapon. "Send Death Downrange" is the term.

It has more meaning now than before. I wouldn't want to be in that position, I don't know if I could pull the trigger or not. Props to you for standing in the way of those bullets that might be meant for others.

For the record my friend, though I used your post to reply, I was implying that the deceased officer had no business being a cop. Again, total respect to him and his family but, he did not have that instinct. It was not implied, though quoted, that my response to your response was not a knock on you. Make sense?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

I'm sorry, I'm not being a jerk or, not trying to be. But, I totally can't make the connection w. your Marine friend, can you pls. elaborate?

Empty it.

Have the other guy die, not you...

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Empty it.

Have the other guy die, not you...

Are you indicating you think I'd like to be a police officer? /Donger

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Empty it.

Have the other guy die, not you...

I kind of figured that was what that meant, but couldn't tell for sure.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

Are you indicating you think I'd like to be a police officer? /Donger

Nope.

I wouldn't want to be a cop.

I'm a prison guard, big difference.

I'd rather work at a zoo than try to catch the lion...

[BIG K]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Nope.

I wouldn't want to be a cop.

I'm a prison guard, big difference.

I'd rather work at a zoo than try to catch the lion...

In my book, you guys at prison and the county jail have it much harder than I did. Sure, I get to arrest them, get into a fight, shoot some guys but, you guys have to deal with those a-holes 24-7, props to you.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Nope.

I wouldn't want to be a cop.

I'm a prison guard, big difference.

I'd rather work at a zoo than try to catch the lion...

you should try that one on chicks, Brad. It's an awesome line.

[BIG K]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

you should try that one on chicks, Brad. It's an awesome line.

Chicks dig a guy who can intimidate other guys. They also like guys in a uniform and a gun, it was waaaaaay coooool!

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

I'm sorry, I'm not being a jerk or, not trying to be. But, I totally can't make the connection w. your Marine friend, can you pls. elaborate?

If you are carrying a weapon you are supposed to only use it for one reason, to shoot to kill. I don't know of anyone that teaches you to wound anyone you are trying to shoot. "Send death downrange."

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Rausch

And people complain because cops use force at the drop of a hat...

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[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

I'm sorry, I'm not being a jerk or, not trying to be. But, I totally can't make the connection w. your Marine friend, can you pls. elaborate?

Originally Posted by Gunny Hartman

The deadliest weapon in the world is a marine and his rifle. It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead marines and then you will be in a world of shit because marines are not allowed to die without permission. Do you maggots understand?

This is what he means.

[Rukdafaidas]

Originally Posted by BIG K

Here lies the reason why not everyone can be in law enforcement. In my very first interview before I became a Sheriff, I was asked could I take someone else's life. It was obvious to me that the officer, peace be to his family, was not capable of taking anothers life. Strange behavior by people is normal but, as soon as he returned to his vehicle, I thought he was going to get a gun and I would have taken cover and pulled my weapon. (Don't bother with the argument that I wasn't in his shoes because I have been)

The officer took the step of asking the guy to drop the weapon, I would not have taken the time to ask. As an officer, if you see a weapon, the persons intent is implied and you cease to negotiate, period. To answer your question, we are trained to "stop" the agression. We train to 'shoot' center of mass, (the body, more defined as the chest area) if they stop and are still alive fine, if they die, oh well. He had a gun and the implied intent was to cause me harm or death, it would have been a justified shoot.

But, how do you know if you're capable until you're in that position? I'm sure the officer thought he was capable or he probably wouldn't have taken the job. It's tough to know exactly how you're going to react, until you're in that position.