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Old 04-26-2025, 11:41 AM  
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Old 05-05-2025, 09:59 AM   #271
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That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.


Drake London had bad yards of separation and I thought it would bomb him and lol he was the #5 fantasy WR last season
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Old 05-05-2025, 10:03 AM   #272
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Drake London had bad yards of separation and I thought it would bomb him and lol he was the #5 fantasy WR last season
London was a beast coming out with size and ran great routes.

The only thing slowing him down was landing with Arthur Smith who lost his mind in Atlanta but is now a good OC again in Pittsburgh.
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Old 05-05-2025, 10:09 AM   #273
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That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.
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Old 05-05-2025, 10:31 AM   #274
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I think it's like most stats: Useful in context, but difficult to keep in context.

It's also kind of why Hunter Renfrow has been out of the league. Shifty little slot who can do some crazy stuff, but struggles being "on time" in the offense. If he's not freelancing, he's not productive, type of deal.
To really give it much value is to overlook a point we've made in various different contexts -- the difference between a great player and someone who's just not in the league is ridiculously small.

So when you see a stat -- ANY stat -- where there's somebody that's out there doing things 50% better than anyone else in the league....you should REALLY start to question that stat.

Because the odds of Skyy Moore unlocking the rosetta stone for WR separation are...zero. Or Richie James, if we want to cite someone who's unlikely to illicit such strong opinions.

When you have these guys out there pulling up 2-3 yards of separation on average when the rest of the league is struggling to find a yard...well that tells you the stat is probably silly.

Richie James didn't come up with some magic way of running routes that Justin Jefferson just can't do or doesn't understand.

The margins are so small that if your stat ISN'T showing small margins, the problem is probably with the stat.
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To really give it much value is to overlook a point we've made in various different contexts -- the difference between a great player and someone who's just not in the league is ridiculously small.

So when you see a stat -- ANY stat -- where there's somebody that's out there doing things 50% better than anyone else in the league....you should REALLY start to question that stat.

Because the odds of Skyy Moore unlocking the rosetta stone for WR separation are...zero. Or Richie James, if we want to cite someone who's unlikely to illicit such strong opinions.

When you have these guys out there pulling up 2-3 yards of separation on average when the rest of the league is struggling to find a yard...well that tells you the stat is probably silly.

Richie James didn't come up with some magic way of running routes that Justin Jefferson just can't do or doesn't understand.

The margins are so small that if your stat ISN'T showing small margins, the problem is probably with the stat.
A 5'9" receiver who can't separate is utterly uslesless. Which is why Skyy is complete ass.

That only works if you are Mike Evans and you're huge and you just catch everything cuz you're huge.
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I thought Skyy should have been cut year 2.


We knew enough then to see he wasn’t NFL caliber and would never be.
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A 5'9" receiver who can't separate is utterly uslesless. Which is why Skyy is complete ass.

That only works if you are Mike Evans and you're huge and you just catch everything cuz you're huge.
That is the thing though. He DOES separate at least at the initial point burst. I feel like he MUST not be very physical and get bumped off his route too easily. Combine that with his awful awful football IQ and just not understanding where he needs to receive the ball.
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In the same draft year as Skyy was Khalil Shakir who was always better at football.


Shakir would accelerate out of his break and when the ball was in the air he was getting it.

Skyy doesn’t have that dog in him.
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Was watching Royals videos online. He reminds me a little bit of a bigger Randall Cobb. Quarterback friendly receiver. Does not profile as a potential alpha #1 receiver. But has the potential to become an excellent #2 receiver in the NFL. Great YAC ability.
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25 catches, 315 yards. 2 TDs. Year 1. Unless someone gets hurt or suspended.
Assuming we don’t have any injuries, I don’t think I’d be upset about that stat line.

Royals should be the sixth option after Rice, Worthy, Hollywood, Kelce, and whichever RB is on the field.

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Uhhh, no.

This is dumb.

Brown is NOT an X.
We really don’t have a true X at all. I would actually agree with him that Hollywood is the nearest to that mold, though.

Rice’s size makes him a better fit but he doesn’t have the route tree.
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