#2 Wide Receiver 2016-17

[Couch-Potato]

I still see #2 WR as a big hole. So, who do you guys want as our #2 next year?


Develop from within? I'm not confident that Wilson, nor Conley is our #2 next year.

Draft "The Guy"? I've read there are a lot of options in the draft again this year, but rookie WRs are mostly unreliable.

Vet FA? Several FAs coming up, but not sure who will get away from their current team: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

We should just trade DaT to Seattle for Tyler Lockett.

[Direckshun]

Probably going to burn a pick on the 1st or 2nd on one.

[penbrook]

Wilson is a fine #2

[DJ's left nut]

Where do you think Wilson has failed in his role?

In this offense, the #2 target is Travis Kelce.

The X receiver in this offense is never going to be a guy that gets a ton of looks. His primary role is going to be to exploit coverages that sell out to stop Maclin and Kelce. In that regard, Wilson's done his job extremely well.

Wilson doesn't do a bad job of finding space, he is a solid route runner and he has good hands. For the most part, Wilson has been a very solid player and is by no means holding back the offense.

If Conley isn't ready to take the next step, Wilson will remain just fine as the X. I don't see any pressing need to use high-end draft capital and certainly don't see a need to use cap space to bring a guy in to replace Wilson when he's not likely to make a significant difference in the offense over Wilson.

[TimBone]

Yeah...we're really gonna need Conley to take that role on next season. I'm not down on him...rookie, complicated offense. He's smart and physically gifted. He can put it together by next year.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Where do you think Wilson has failed in his role?

In this offense, the #2 target is Travis Kelce.

The X receiver in this offense is never going to be a guy that gets a ton of looks. His primary role is going to be to exploit coverages that sell out to stop Maclin and Kelce. In that regard, Wilson's done his job extremely well.

Wilson doesn't do a bad job of finding space, he is a solid route runner and he has good hands. For the most part, Wilson has been a very solid player and is by no means holding back the offense.

If Conley isn't ready to take the next step, Wilson will remain just fine as the X. I don't see any pressing need to use high-end draft capital and certainly don't see a need to use cap space to bring a guy in to replace Wilson when he's not likely to make a significant difference in the offense over Wilson.

I'd like to see wilson in the slot running those option routes NE uses so well. He seems to have good short area quickness and is good in the open field, although I think they envision DAT doing that.

I still think your best option is Conley running those deep crosses, posts and Flys from the x, but wilson has been fine, even though he doesn't seem to be ideal for it

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd like to see wilson in the slot running those option routes NE uses so well. He seems to have good short area quickness and is good in the open field, although I think they envision DAT doing that.

I still think your best option is Conley running those deep crosses, posts and Flys from the x, but wilson has been fine, even though he doesn't seem to be ideal for it

I just don't think Conley's feet are fast enough to get the separation needed from the X.

Look at the TD Wilson scored on the slant - that was ALL footwork. The jabstep to get the corner playing the outside giving Wilson a chance to get inside position on him was all footwork. Many of those drag routes are a result of that same kind of movement.

If Conley could develop into the X that would be great because he does have a size advantage on Wilson and a little bit more athleticism. That said, I still think Conley's best role in KC could well be in the slot. At that point he'd get to line up off the line of scrimmage and it would buy him some of that space that he'll be unlikely to be able to get using the quickness that Wilson has. He'd start inside the formation a little more often so he could use that open space towards the sidelines to screen off DBs a little more.

Essentially I'd like to see him used how the Giants used Cruz when Cruz was at his best.

Wilson's skill-set is just a little more rounded and his game is a lot more polished. Unless Conley makes enormous strides in the offseason (and somehow figures out how to overcome fairly slow feet), I don't see him taking that job away from Wilson. And frankly, if it doesn't happen, I think Wilson is fine out there.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just don't think Conley's feet are fast enough to get the separation needed from the X.

Look at the TD Wilson scored on the slant - that was ALL footwork. The jabstep to get the corner playing the outside giving Wilson a chance to get inside position on him was all footwork. Many of those drag routes are a result of that same kind of movement.

If Conley could develop into the X that would be great because he does have a size advantage on Wilson and a little bit more athleticism. That said, I still think Conley's best role in KC could well be in the slot. At that point he'd get to line up off the line of scrimmage and it would buy him some of that space that he'll be unlikely to be able to get using the quickness that Wilson has. He'd start inside the formation a little more often so he could use that open space towards the sidelines to screen off DBs a little more.

Essentially I'd like to see him used how the Giants used Cruz when Cruz was at his best.

Wilson's skill-set is just a little more rounded and his game is a lot more polished. Unless Conley makes enormous strides in the offseason (and somehow figures out how to overcome fairly slow feet), I don't see him taking that job away from Wilson. And frankly, if it doesn't happen, I think Wilson is fine out there.

I guess I'm the opposite in that with his quickness, I'd rather give wilson a little more room from the slot.

Hinestly, I don't see the fit here with Conley, in this offense and his skillset, but maybe that's just me

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I guess I'm the opposite in that with his quickness, I'd rather give wilson a little more room from the slot.

Hinestly, I don't see the fit here with Conley, in this offense and his skillset, but maybe that's just me

Conventional wisdom says that's the way to go.

But recently the teams that have experimented with the bigger, more physical WRs in the slot have had a lot of success with it. Given that I don't think Conley can get the separation he'd need at the X and Wilson can, I'd rather stick with Wilson at X and Conley at Y.

And given the fact that the offense runs through the Z and the TE anyway, I just don't see a need for expending substantial resources to upgrade on either of those guys.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Conventional wisdom says that's the way to go.

But recently the teams that have experimented with the bigger, more physical WRs in the slot have had a lot of success with it. Given that I don't think Conley can get the separation he'd need at the X and Wilson can, I'd rather stick with Wilson at X and Conley at Y.

And given the fact that the offense runs through the Z and the TE anyway, I just don't see a need for expending substantial resources to upgrade on either of those guys.

I wouldnt, unless someone like Treadwell falls to them.

[Buehler445]

Good discussion DJ and O.

I'd like to see it as a matchup thing. If Conley can handle the route tree and there is a favorable matchup, move the guys around. Remember when ****ing Crennel wouldn't move guys. "We haz left and right cbz." So Flowers would cover huge mother****ers and Carr would chase around small quick guys. If we could play matchups, let's rape faces.

[TribalElder]

Dat is going to go off come playoff time assuming we make it

I can't imagine any other reason to hold him out

[Iconic]

Unless it's a steal in the later rounds why the hell would we waste a pick on a #2. Wilson has only gotten better over time **** you doubters.

[Mr. Laz]

People yell that we suck
demand a playoff win
dream of a super bowl game


yet have such low expectations when it comes to talent level

corners are great
safeties are outstanding
front seven dominates
wide receivers are good
our tightends are just fine
running backs are the best in the NFL

we have great offensive weapons and the best defense in the universe


How in the **** do you think we are going to win a super bowl?

oh, that's right ... the only problem is Alex Smith and Eric Fisher, everything else is super bowl level.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It would be ridiculous to use a high pick or invest in FA on a #2 wide out in this offense.

With the scheme, it's not designed to be that important of a role. You just need a guy who can win the one-on-one's. I believe Wilson has proven capable and Conley could as well.

Personally, I truly believe #2 TE is as or more important than the #2 WR in this offense. If Kelce goes down, then what? It's a extremely important position given what we do.