Chiefs Drafting Corner - Page 3

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 12:02 PM

Let's play with this idea for a moment.

Chiefs are on the clock at #11, can't trade down, and Kirkpatrick and/or Janoris Jenkins are still on the board.

If that is the case, how interested might you be in pulling the trigger?

Keep in mind the usual suspects will be at the #11 pick, DeCastro, all the tackles, Kuechly, Poe.

If you bring on a corner, especially a stud like Jenkins, you have the best three corner combo in the NFL, and Arenas in the slot (where he's excelled) if you need him.

If you're REALLY concerned about Manning winning the division over you, this isn't the worst thought in the world.

The Jets showed us that if you have enough talent at CB, then you really can neuter even the best of franchise QBs. Brady is arguably the best QB in the league, and he has to throw away from his WRs when he plays the Jets.

The only problem there is that you have to REALLY stack the CB position like the Jets did. It's too much money to tie up in one position.

Except, Flowers would be the only corner in KC with a fat contract. Routt + Jenkins' rookie contract together would be cheaper than Brandon Carr, bar none. Financially, it's completely doable, and the Chiefs would still have double digits in millions of dollars in cap room.

Manning would have to hit his tight end(s) and check down receivers, because Flowers and Routt are largely neutralizing his #1 and #2, and all Jenkins has to do is shut down the #3. Arenas covers the slot. And we've all seen how mortal Manning looks when he's frustrated.

Plus, this gives us insurance for an elite CB duo if Routt doesn't pan out.

It's a thought.

Discuss.

RustShack · 03-20-2012, 03:54 PM

Don't draft a CB in the first round, but find a way to get Leonard Johnson. Dude is a shutdown CB.

Blick · 03-20-2012, 04:06 PM

Would rather go Barron. We need talent and depth at safety way more than corner.

KCDC · 03-20-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Kilpatrick is the only CB I would consider on a trade down but would prefer the Chiefs take DeCastro or possibly Kuechley at #11. I'm not in the camp of taking either Poe or Tannehill.

Me too

**BossChief** · 03-20-2012, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blick

Would rather go Barron. We need talent and depth at safety way more than corner.

This

Barron is vastly underrated IMO.

I know most here are in love with Lewis the same way they were with Page, but all in all they are very similar players.

Adding a guy like Barron, in today's passing league, would improve the quality of this defense quite a bit.

I think we are close to set at corner for 2012.

We only have 2 good safeties and one is coming off a major injury.

evolve27 · 03-20-2012, 05:48 PM

Don't need another CB this early, we should go DE or LB instead IMO

**RealSNR** · 03-20-2012, 05:49 PM

Flowers
Routt
(Arenas)- full time nickel
Brown/Daniels- if Brown doesn't improve this year, Daniels has shown enough to be very effective

That's pretty ****ing deep. Now let's look at our safeties:

Berry
Lewis
Moldy poop

I think we all know what has to happen this draft if we take ANY defensive back. I'm not a fan of taking Jenkins that high. Kirkpatrick is just a slight reach. I wouldn't be disappointed in that.

But let's face it. That extra corner you're adding is still leaving open a HUGE weakness beyond our starting two safeties. That needs to get addressed fast here. Barron isn't a totally stupid pick. We should seriously consider it. If we're already trading down to possibly take DeCastro/Kirkpatrick/Perry, then Barron needs to be mentioned in that mix as well

**RealSNR** · 03-20-2012, 05:51 PM

Can you imagine facing Manning with an injury to either safety? Rashard Langford ain't gonna save you.

evolve27 · 03-20-2012, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Flowers
Routt
(Arenas)- full time nickel
Brown/Daniels- if Brown doesn't improve this year, Daniels has shown enough to be very effective

That's pretty ****ing deep. Now let's look at our safeties:

Berry
Lewis
Moldy poop

I think we all know what has to happen this draft if we take ANY defensive back. I'm not a fan of taking Jenkins that high. Kirkpatrick is just a slight reach. I wouldn't be disappointed in that.

But let's face it. That extra corner you're adding is still leaving open a HUGE weakness beyond our starting two safeties. That needs to get addressed fast here. Barron isn't a totally stupid pick. We should seriously consider it. If we're already trading down to possibly take DeCastro/Kirkpatrick/Perry, then Barron needs to be mentioned in that mix as well

I thought we got rid of Daniels?

evolve27 · 03-20-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Can you imagine facing Manning with an injury to either safety? Rashard Langford ain't gonna save you.

I think Langford cut too.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-20-2012, 05:57 PM

Hmm I'm not sure......

Did we get Arenas with 2B or 3 last year.......?

I would say with pick one especially you don't even think about position at all, you just get the best player. So if that kid isn't the best overall player, clearly, I say no.

**RealSNR** · 03-20-2012, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evolve27

I think Langford cut too.

According to the internet they're both still under contract. At least Daniels is anyway.

**BossChief** · 03-20-2012, 06:04 PM

If we have Barron and Berry (ahhh shit, another killer b) as safeties, anybody looking to attack us deep would be in for a surprise.

...

Langford was a restricted FA, but we didn't chose to exercise our rights to him so he is now a free agent.

**RealSNR** · 03-20-2012, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we have Barron and Berry (ahhh shit, another killer b) as safeties, anybody looking to attack us deep would be in for a surprise.

...

Langford was a restricted FA, but we didn't chose to exercise our rights to him so he is now a free agent.

He'll come back. They aaaaall come back.

**bevischief** · 03-20-2012, 06:10 PM

I would rather go safety before corner back.

Wilson8 · 03-20-2012, 08:41 PM

I don't think Pioli will invest that high in another safety, both with 1st round draft pick and with money. Berry's contract was for $60 million. Lewis as a 5th round pick, has been a low cost good player for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could get a better safety than Lewis, but not sure they are prepared to make that investment.

03-20-2012, 12:02 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Drafting Corner Let's play with this idea for a moment. Chiefs are on the clock at #11, can't trade down, and Kirkpatrick and/or Janoris Jenkins are still on the board. If that is the case, how interested might you be in pulling the trigger? Keep in mind the usual suspects will be at the #11 pick, DeCastro, all the tackles, Kuechly, Poe. If you bring on a corner, especially a stud like Jenkins, you have the best three corner combo in the NFL, and Arenas in the slot (where he's excelled) if you need him. If you're REALLY concerned about Manning winning the division over you, this isn't the worst thought in the world. The Jets showed us that if you have enough talent at CB, then you really can neuter even the best of franchise QBs. Brady is arguably the best QB in the league, and he has to throw away from his WRs when he plays the Jets. The only problem there is that you have to REALLY stack the CB position like the Jets did. It's too much money to tie up in one position. Except, Flowers would be the only corner in KC with a fat contract. Routt + Jenkins' rookie contract together would be cheaper than Brandon Carr, bar none. Financially, it's completely doable, and the Chiefs would still have double digits in millions of dollars in cap room. Manning would have to hit his tight end(s) and check down receivers, because Flowers and Routt are largely neutralizing his #1 and #2, and all Jenkins has to do is shut down the #3. Arenas covers the slot. And we've all seen how mortal Manning looks when he's frustrated. Plus, this gives us insurance for an elite CB duo if Routt doesn't pan out. It's a thought. Discuss.
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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2837557	I don't think Pioli will invest that high in another safety, both with 1st round draft pick and with money. Berry's contract was for $60 million. Lewis as a 5th round pick, has been a low cost good player for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could get a better safety than Lewis, but not sure they are prepared to make that investment.
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