#2 Wide Receiver 2016-17

[Couch-Potato]

I still see #2 WR as a big hole. So, who do you guys want as our #2 next year?


Develop from within? I'm not confident that Wilson, nor Conley is our #2 next year.

Draft "The Guy"? I've read there are a lot of options in the draft again this year, but rookie WRs are mostly unreliable.

Vet FA? Several FAs coming up, but not sure who will get away from their current team: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

[Mr. Laz]

We need to go 4 deep at WR and CB.

legit deep, not crap.


every other position has a legit backup, why not WR and CB?

several teams have guys at 4 or 5 that could challenge for our #2 wr spot.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

We need to go 4 deep at WR and CB.

legit deep, not crap.


every other position has a legit backup, why not WR and CB?

several teams have guys at 4 or 5 that could challenge for our #2 wr spot.

I'm not saying you are right or wrong.. but feel free to list some teams and WR names, if you can take the time. That would be interesting (maybe) discussion.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

We need to go 4 deep at WR and CB.

legit deep, not crap.


every other position has a legit backup, why not WR and CB?

several teams have guys at 4 or 5 that could challenge for our #2 wr spot.

Infinite needs vs. scarce resources.

Would I like to have 5 Maclins on the team? Sure. Am I willing to expend substantial draft capital and/or cap space to acquire one? No, not when we have at least one dire need on the OL and no depth to speak of at CB.

Now again, FA could change a lot of that - namely if we're able to bring back Smith and/or Howard. But right now, I see us keeping only one of those guys (at best) and if that's the case, we'll need to use those resources on more pressing spots.

Besides, WR has become a place where you can find a shitload of value in the middle rounds. Guys like Moncreif and Brown fall into the 3rd pretty much every season. This year it was Crowder and Diggs in the 4th and 5th. There will be guys next year as well (even a Ty Montgomery or Justin Hardy would do nicely).

It's just not a good use of scarce resources to throw a high pick at a player who's likely the 3rd option in the offense, at best (more likely the 4th option).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And more CB depth. And the depth of our DL is what allows us to rotate guys in and keep them fresh the whole game (allowing us to play excellent run defense even in a Nickel set). If we lose Howard and/or DeVito, we'll need to invest there. Oh, and DJ isn't getting younger.

There are a lot of areas on this team that need to get tightened up well before we get to the #2 corner. I'd be just fine taking a T in the first and then another interior lineman in the 2nd or 3rd (though I'd rather see a CB there).

Guys are describing who they want their #2 wideout to be and yet Wilson possesses most of those tools; he's just not a volume option. He'd go for 800 yards and 6 TDs in Pittsburgh if he were running as their #3. They're a volume offense and we're not. Big Ben's going to be a first ballot HoFer; there's a reason his WRs tend to put up numbers...

I think they need to keep transitioning the offense closer to that type of offense, so if they wanna keep stocking the wr position, fine.

I think the offensive line needs to be upgraded as well, but I'm with you defensively but somethings have to be developed from within. Just like our dl depth gas been, some of these young corners, ilbs, etc are gonna have to develop into replacements

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Infinite needs vs. scarce resources.

Would I like to have 5 Maclins on the team? Sure. Am I willing to expend substantial draft capital and/or cap space to acquire one? No, not when we have at least one dire need on the OL and no depth to speak of at CB.

Now again, FA could change a lot of that - namely if we're able to bring back Smith and/or Howard. But right now, I see us keeping only one of those guys (at best) and if that's the case, we'll need to use those resources on more pressing spots.

Besides, WR has become a place where you can find a shitload of value in the middle rounds. Guys like Moncreif and Brown fall into the 3rd pretty much every season. This year it was Crowder and Diggs in the 4th and 5th. There will be guys next year as well (even a Ty Montgomery or Justin Hardy would do nicely).

It's just not a good use of scarce resources to throw a high pick at a player who's likely the 3rd option in the offense, at best (more likely the 4th option).

I'm not saying we go out and spend for 4 maclins.

I'm talking about the guys like you mentioned.

we need to draft guys like Montcrief etc. instead of Avant,Hammond etc.

Maybe Dorsey will get there eventually. He seems to love safeties.

[Sandy Vagina]

Maclin, Wilson, Conley, and... uhm... DAT... going into 2016.

I think the Chiefs just may burn a draft pick on a WR.. 3rd-5th rd guy.

Of course, they could also add a mid-tier vet instead.. maybe Andy just can't let go and brings Avant back to play till he's 50?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I'm not saying we go out and spend for 4 maclins.

I'm talking about the guys like you mentioned.

we need to draft guys like Montcrief etc. instead of Avant,Hammond etc.

Maybe Dorsey will get there eventually. He seems to love safeties.

Fair 'nuff.

But in 2 years he's turned the WR corps over from being the worst unit I've ever seen (in any position group) to being solid, if unspectacular. To go from Bowe, Moeaki and a bunch of chaff to Maclin, Kelce and then a couple of nice developmental guys in Wilson and Conley (who, if nothing else, would be plucked off waivers the instant we released them) shows that he recognizes the need and has been trying to turn the ship.

He just started with absolutely nothing. One more nice draft pick (a Hardy type, IMO) along with continued development from Wilson and Conley should be enough to have us in pretty nice shape.

[Saul Good]

Albert Wilson is a second year player from a small school who is just starting to show that he belongs in the league. Replacing him should not be a priority at all. We have much larger needs. Drafting should always be about best player available, so if a steal falls to us, great. Short of that, we still need a corner, a MLB, and fatties on both sides of the ball.

[O.city]

Can brothers play ilb in a 34 you mu guys?

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Albert Wilson is a second year player from a small school who is just starting to show that he belongs in the league. Replacing him should not be a priority at all. We have much larger needs. Drafting should always be about best player available, so if a steal falls to us, great. Short of that, we still need a corner, a MLB, and fatties on both sides of the ball.

Smith will get re signed and hopefully Abdullah

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Can brothers play ilb in a 34 you mu guys?

Absolutely. In fact, I would say that's his best fit long-term. I don't think he's quite big enough to be a 4-3 MLB or athletic enough to play outside in a 3-4. I guess I could see him as a SLB in a 4-3 but he doesn't really have a pass-rush set and in the modern NFL I think you'd really like to see both the Will and the Sam able to rush the passer even in a 4-3.

Yeah, as far as I can see, ILB in a 3-4 is the only good long-term home for Brothers.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Absolutely. In fact, I would say that's his best fit long-term. I don't think he's quite big enough to be a 4-3 MLB or athletic enough to play outside in a 3-4. I guess I could see him as a SLB in a 4-3 but he doesn't really have a pass-rush set and in the modern NFL I think you'd really like to see both the Will and the Sam able to rush the passer even in a 4-3.

Yeah, as far as I can see, ILB in a 3-4 is the only good long-term home for Brothers.

He's an athlete and a tackling machine. I'd love to see him in kc next to and eventually taking over for dj

[cmh6476]

Antonio brown would be a good target. Trade a 3rd for him?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

Can brothers play ilb in a 34 you mu guys?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Absolutely. In fact, I would say that's his best fit long-term. I don't think he's quite big enough to be a 4-3 MLB or athletic enough to play outside in a 3-4. I guess I could see him as a SLB in a 4-3 but he doesn't really have a pass-rush set and in the modern NFL I think you'd really like to see both the Will and the Sam able to rush the passer even in a 4-3.

Yeah, as far as I can see, ILB in a 3-4 is the only good long-term home for Brothers.

Originally Posted by O.city

He's an athlete and a tackling machine. I'd love to see him in kc next to and eventually taking over for dj

Walterfootball.com has KC taking him in the 2nd round in his latest mock draft.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's an athlete and a tackling machine. I'd love to see him in kc next to and eventually taking over for dj

He could probably do it, but you'll be a little disappointed if you expect him to be as dynamic as DJ is.

Brothers played mostly weakside this year and he flourished because he's an above average athlete, especially for a linebacker. But really, DJ could have damn near played safety coming out of college. If I'm thinking of comparables, Jaylon Smith is DJ and really Brothers is closer to someone like Ramik Wilson (at least physically).

Brothers has more of a nose for the ball than Wilson and will be more likely to take on blockers and/or challenge at the point of attack. But I don't expect he'll ever be the kind of 3-down terror that DJ is.

Derrick Johnson's greatness has been criminally understated throughout the NFL. That guy does the kind of stuff that we won't see again in KC for a very long time. Brothers will end up a quality player at the next level, but if you're expecting him to 'replace' DJ, you're asking too much.