Disturbing video that I have to comment on

[Nzoner]

Sorry for being so morbid today(2nd thread of violence) but I just came across this video on another site and thought it might make for some good discussion as I'm sure if you watch it your emotions will be triggered(no pun intended).

Possibly some of you have seen this or if it's been posted before I apologize.

Before I post the video my take is two-fold and split in that I think law enforcement officers are grossly underpaid and yet in this paticular video I was thinking what a dumbass cop,you've given fair warning,why not just shoot and wound this crazy bastard before he does something crazier.

Below the video is the story,again,fair warning,while not graphic in nature the video is quite disturbing.




Deputy Kyle Dinkheller, Laurens County, GA, was minutes from being off duty when he encountered a speeding pickup truck going 98 mph. The deputy was an ICE (Interstate Criminal Enforcement) officer that dealt with traffic infractions, speeding and the occasional drug bust. This was a low risk or unknown risk stop for speeding. He radioed in the speeding infraction, made a U-turn in the median and pursued the vehicle. The driver, Andrew Brannan, stopped his vehicle, exited and started a crazy, dancing jig in the middle of the road while swearing at the officer and shouting Im a god-damned Vietnam vet. At first, he ignored Dinkhellers commands to step towards the deputy, which always began with `Sir. When he finally complied, he attacked the deputy and a scuffle ensued. The deputy implemented the use of his asp and ordered Brannan to `get back. This procedure was repeated, but after what appeared to be a second scuffle, the suspect returned to his vehicle and retrieved a M-I Carbine from under the seat. The first shots were fired nearly 50 seconds after Brannan returned to his vehicle despite the deputys commands. Brannan ignored the repeated commands to put the gun down and Deputy Dinkheller apparently fired the first shot. Brannan, a Vietnam veteran, advanced firing on the deputy. Dinkheller returned fire, but succeeded only in breaking a window in the drivers side of the pickup and wounding Brannan in the stomach. Using `suppressive fire, Brannan systematically, methodically shot Dinkheller in the arms, legs, exposed areas that would not be covered had Dinkheller been wearing a bulletproof vest, slowly executing him. Reloading his weapon Brannan continued firing with the final death shot to Dinkhellers right eye. "The entire incident was videotaped by a camera in Deputy Dinkheller's patrol car. On January 28, 2000, the suspect was found guilty of murder and was sentenced to death two days later."

[CosmicPal]

I nominate that as long as this thread remains an active discussion on our front page that we rename the Lounge to the Kyle Dinkheller Lounge in honor of his service and those who put their lives on the line each and every day.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

My thoughts:

#1) The unfortunate police officer was not well trained or did not handle it correctly. he had ample and multiple opportunitys to kill this person.

#2) This video IS something people need to se just for the fact that we need to understand that there are a lot of Nut jobs out there.

#3) Gives you reason to keep yourself armed at all times. You may be in walmart or a restaurant when somebody has had a bad day and loses it and decides he's gonna die and take as many with him as possible. It ain't gonna be me !

[Radar Chief]

It’s easy to say what one would do from the comfort of a chair tapping on a keyboard. Some may even consider themselves proficient from wasting bazillions of hours playing first person shooter games. But when you’ve got an actual living, breathing person in your sites its not nearly as easy as point and click.

Men Against Fire: How Many Soldiers Actually Fired Their Weapons at the Enemy During the Vietnam War

In a squad of 10 men, on average fewer than three ever fired their weapons in combat. Day in, day out — it did not matter how long they had been soldiers, how many months of combat they had seen, or even that the enemy was about to overrun their position. This was what the highly regarded Brigadier General Samuel Lyman Atwood Marshall, better known as S.L.A. Marshall, or 'Slam,' concluded in a series of military journal articles and in his book, Men Against Fire, about America's World War II soldiers. Marshall had been assigned as a military analyst for the U.S. Army in both the Pacific and Europe. The American, he concluded, comes 'from a civilization in which aggression, connected with the taking of life, is prohibited and unacceptable….The fear of aggression has been expressed to him so strongly and absorbed by him so deeply and pervadingly — practically with his mother's milk — that it is part of the normal man's emotional make-up. This is his great handicap when he enters combat. It stays his trigger finger even though he is hardly conscious that it is a restraint upon him.'

Much more at this link.

http://www.historynet.com/men-agains...ietnam-war.htm

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

My thoughts:

#1) The unfortunate police officer was not well trained or did not handle it correctly. he had ample and multiple opportunitys to kill this person.

#2) This video IS something people need to se just for the fact that we need to understand that there are a lot of Nut jobs out there.

#3) Gives you reason to keep yourself armed at all times. You may be in walmart or a restaurant when somebody has had a bad day and loses it and decides he's gonna die and take as many with him as possible. It ain't gonna be me !

This. Plus I'd have shot the guy the second he stopped dancing and ignored me while proceeding to his truck.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

It’s easy to say what one would do from the comfort of a chair tapping on a keyboard. Some may even consider themselves proficient from wasting bazillions of hours playing first person shooter games. But when you’ve got an actual living, breathing person in your sites its not nearly as easy as point and click.



Much more at this link.

http://www.historynet.com/men-agains...ietnam-war.htm

Alot has changed since vietnam, tactics and training for the modern rifleman are worlds apart from what they were 30+ years ago.

in the civilian world you have two choices that as humans we cant stray from when confronted w/ fear.
Self preservation in some individuals is stronger than in others.
Natures law.

[B_Ambuehl]

You have to have the right personality to accurately fire a gun and hit a target in a high stress situation like that. A personality that doesn't succumb to the stress response. Something like 30-40% of people can't even control their hands well enough to dial 911 in a serious emergency. The officer obviously froze up and couldn't control himself well enough to shoot accurately. I think he was trying to shoot the guy, he even fired the first shot. But he froze up and couldn't hit the target. I put considerable blame on him for getting involved in a profession he wasn't suited for, and blame his employers for not effectively screening him out.

[Jilly]

Thank God I've never been in the situation and hopefully never will and maybe if I were, my opinion would change...but I honestly believe that I would die myself before I could pull the trigger and kill someone. That sounds sad, but I really think it might be true. Now I don't know now that I have a daughter, I used to know that to be true, but it came to her life or someone else's.....I probably could pull the trigger.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Alot has changed since vietnam, tactics and training for the modern rifleman are worlds apart from what they were 30+ years ago.

in the civilian world you have two choices that as humans we cant stray from when confronted w/ fear.
Self preservation in some individuals is stronger than in others.
Natures law.

Agreed. In fact a big part of why training has changed is because of the report described at the link I posted.
This is why the military and police have gone to target practicing with human shaped silhouettes. When I went through Basic we qualified shooting at "pop up Ivans", they were shaped and dressed like a Soviet soldier.
Watching shows like Top Snipper on the Military Channel they started putting the faces of known terrorists on their targets. This is all so there is more of a chance that instinct and muscle memory will take over and the soldier will think less about what exactly he's doing to another human being.

[beach tribe]

That video just really screwed me up.

I just woke about an hr ago. I wasn't ready for that yet.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Jilly

Thank God I've never been in the situation and hopefully never will and maybe if I were, my opinion would change...but I honestly believe that I would die myself before I could pull the trigger and kill someone. That sounds sad, but I really think it might be true. Now I don't know now that I have a daughter, I used to know that to be true, but it came to her life or someone else's.....I probably could pull the trigger.

It's not just pulling the trigger it's maintaining control to fire accuratly like B_Ambuehl pointed out. This officer actually let enough lead fly he should've stopped the psycho but only one shot found it's mark and that wasn't enough to do the job.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

You have to have the right personality to accurately fire a gun and hit a target in a high stress situation like that. A personality that doesn't succumb to the stress response. Something like 30-40% of people can't even control their hands well enough to dial 911 in a serious emergency. The officer obviously froze up and couldn't control himself well enough to shoot accurately. I think he was trying to shoot the guy, he even fired the first shot. But he froze up and couldn't hit the target. I put considerable blame on him for getting involved in a profession he wasn't suited for, and blame his employers for not effectively screening him out.

Hell the majority of people have never been in a stressful situation so the AD dump is something new.
Its a helluva drug.

[thebrad84]

Found a little more to the story, so sad...

Deputy Kyle Dinkheller had been with the agency for nearly three years at the time of his death. He was 22 when he was killed. He left a wife and an 18 month-old daughter. The day he was killed, his wife learned she was pregnant with their second child.

Andrew Brannan fled to property he owned in the area. Later he was found rolled in a tarp hidden in some underbrush. His hiding place was given away by the barking of his dog who refused to leave Brannan’s side. Brannan did not resist arrest. He has never shown any remorse. He knew he clearly had the advantage. Brannan is now on death row and is appealing.

Brannan shot Deputy Dinkheller 10 times after he was stopped on Interstate 16 for speeding.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Agreed. In fact a big part of why training has changed is because of the report described at the link I posted.
This is why the military and police have gone to target practicing with human shaped silhouettes. When I went through Basic we qualified shooting at "pop up Ivans", they were shaped and dressed like a Soviet soldier.
Watching shows like Top Snipper on the Military Channel they started putting the faces of known terrorists on their targets. This is all so there is more of a chance that instinct and muscle memory will take over and the soldier will think less about what exactly he's doing to another human being.

worth a gander.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldzld4myS6w

Edit- Combat vets might not wanna hear some of this...

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

You have to have the right personality to accurately fire a gun and hit a target in a high stress situation like that. A personality that doesn't succumb to the stress response. Something like 30-40% of people can't even control their hands well enough to dial 911 in a serious emergency. The officer obviously froze up and couldn't control himself well enough to shoot accurately. I think he was trying to shoot the guy, he even fired the first shot. But he froze up and couldn't hit the target. I put considerable blame on him for getting involved in a profession he wasn't suited for, and blame his employers for not effectively screening him out.

that's kind of an asinine statement. The vast majority of people, even those trained, would have a hard time hitting a moving target when being fired at. Time and time again you can find stories of police (even multiple officers) shooting at a suspect dozens of times, and sometimes theu don't even hit him. The military is really not much different, but due to the automatic nature of their weapons they have to aim a little less accurately. I read the sotry of Pat Tillman's death a few weeks ago. His fellow soldiers fired hundreds of rounds in his direction, and he was hit less than 10 times, and that was largely due to the nature of the weaponry, with a high fire rate if you hit a target once you are bound to succeed with numerous rounds. furthermore, police officers are not trained to be killing machines. they are trained to handle weapons to suit their needs should they encounter resistance, they are not in a shoot first scenario.

[Bi_polar]

Originally Posted by niblet

The question on everyone's mind is, why didn't he shoot him earlier? It's easy for us to ask but being in that moment is an entirely different thing. I imagine it's incredibly hard to to bring yourself to pull the trigger.

This is why your dumbass would get smoked too,