*****The Omarr Norman-Lott Thread*****

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd still like to have a pure speed DE. But that's just not gonna happen.

Gillotte is as close to that as you're gonna get, it would seem.

He has speed, he has some bend. But he uses that speed more to get into guys bodies and/or set them up for a genuine move.

He's not looking to go up the arc on anyone. If they just don't react, he might. But he uses his speed to set up his power or to set up a hand-fight rather than as a means to an end itself.

With someone like Uche, speed was the first club in his bag - his speed was his Driver. With Gillotte it's something of a 7 iron.

I'll take what I can get there. Honestly, I kinda feel like that was the plan for FAU but the get-off has just never come along like it should. If Gillotte plays out like we hope, it'll be because he became the guy we thought FAU would.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Gillotte is as close to that as you're gonna get, it would seem.

He has speed, he has some bend. But he uses that speed more to get into guys bodies and/or set them up for a genuine move.

He's not looking to go up the arc on anyone. If they just don't react, he might. But he uses his speed to set up his power or to set up a hand-fight rather than as a means to an end itself.

With someone like Uche, speed was the first club in his bag - his speed was his Driver. With Gillotte it's something of a 7 iron.

I'll take what I can get there. Honestly, I kinda feel like that was the plan for FAU but the get-off has just never come along like it should. If Gillotte plays out like we hope, it'll be because he became the guy we thought FAU would.

Yeah if you want the speed guys Spags isn’t for you bc those guys are smaller and Spags just doesn’t like those guys. Gillotte is extremely athletic for a 264 lb player though.

Among DE’s at the combine he was 5th in the 40, 4th best 10 split, 3rd best 20 shuttle and tied for the best 3 cone.

Gillotte legitimately has the athleticism of a smaller edge rusher O.City wants. He was right there with the top guys in all of the agility tests but the 40, which is a bit redundant for a DE bc they will rarely run 40 yards downfield, if at all.

That’s why I think his ceiling is higher than George’s. It showed on tape too. Yeesh.

And yeah. Felix better be ready day 1 of camp bc this kid is coming for his job. Not sure he’s gonna be able to fend this kid off. He’s exactly what they wanted Felix to become.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yeah if you want the speed guys Spags isn’t for you bc those guys are smaller and Spags just doesn’t like those guys. Gillotte is extremely athletic for a 264 lb player though.

Among DE’s at the combine he was 5th in the 40, 4th best 10 split, 3rd best 20 shuttle and tied for the best 3 cone.

Gillotte legitimately has the athleticism of a smaller edge rusher O.City wants. He was right there with the top guys in all of the agility tests but the 40, which is a bit redundant for a DE bc they will rarely run 40 yards downfield, if at all.

That’s why I think his ceiling is higher than George’s. It showed on tape too. Yeesh.

And yeah. Felix better be ready day 1 of camp bc this kid is coming for his job. Not sure he’s gonna be able to fend this kid off. He’s exactly what they wanted Felix to become.

I would just caution against expecting too much, too soon.

Spags is one to keep his thumb on the scale. Especially in his front 7. I just think the odds of Gillotte carving through both Danna AND FAU are pretty long.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I would just caution against expecting too much, too soon.

Spags is one to keep his thumb on the scale. Especially in his front 7. I just think the odds of Gillotte carving through both Danna AND FAU are pretty long.

Yeah, it's weird that he does that with the front, but not the back. And the back is where all the high level performance happened. I dunno.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd still like to have a pure speed DE. But that's just not gonna happen.

Not unless we suck so bad to get into the top of the draft, I'd rather not suck. I've seen enough of that crap from my team to last a lifetime.

[Gary Cooper]

This is the most important pick in the draft, in the short-term at least, because we need him to contribute immediately. Not much depth at DT beyond Jones. The other guys drafted can be brought along slower.

[MahomesMagic]

I understand the pick and the high value of pass-rush but this pick was my least favorite.

I like the idea of tool boxing guys to create a complete DT but a DT that plays 17 snaps in college in just a pass-rush role seems like a bit of a reach in the 2nd. Reminds me of last year where we took Kingsley because we loved the idea of hitting value on LT but we were wish casting a bit.

Hopefully his numbers aren't fluff and this pass-rush ability translates to the next level.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I understand the pick and the high value of pass-rush but this pick was my least favorite.

I like the idea of tool boxing guys to create a complete DT but a DT that plays 17 snaps in college in just a pass-rush role seems like a bit of a reach in the 2nd. Reminds me of last year where we took Kingsley because we loved the idea of hitting value on LT but we were wish casting a bit.

Hopefully his numbers aren't fluff and this pass-rush ability translates to the next level.

Kid had an amazing pass rush win rate vs the big boys in the SEC so we know what he is.

As for his low snap count, that’s what Wharton’s role was here. He had to play more snaps earlier in the season this year bc Danna and Omenihu were injured, but when Omenihu got back this was his snap %.

49%
43%
55%
47%
95%-Chris Jones was out this game

Playoffs

57%
37%
64%-played garbage the snaps..

Wharton was a speciality player who didn’t get a ton of snaps. Only gripe about ONM is it feels like they really just tried to find another Wharton with a higher ceiling but I get it.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Kid had an amazing pass rush win rate vs the big boys in the SEC so we know what he is.

As for his low snap count, that’s what Wharton’s role was here. He had to play more snaps earlier in the season this year bc Danna and Omenihu were injured, but when Omenihu got back this was his snap %.

49%
43%
55%
47%
57%
37%
95%-Chris Jones was out this game
64%-played garbage the snaps..

Wharton was a speciality player who didn’t get a ton of snaps. Only gripe about ONM is it feels like they really just tried to find another Wharton with a higher ceiling but I get it.

I just think it speaks to how many people are annoyed the Chiefs don't value guys who play NT. I can't count the number of times I've heard "what if Jones played next to a real nose?"

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I just think it speaks to how many people are annoyed the Chiefs don't value guys who play NT. I can't count the number of times I've heard "what if Jones played next to a real nose?"

Pennel IS a 'real nose'.

He's just not a long-term answer there. And we need depth behind him.

But they can find a fairly turnkey 2-gap nose in really any given draft by the end of the third round.

It's like taking Karlaftis or Rice instead of speed specialists when we did. It's just not the are we targeted because we're content with what we have at that spot at that time.

[staylor26]

Absolutely hilarious that in the modern NFL, many of you would've been good with a one-dimensional run stuffer, but not the one-dimensional pass rusher?

News flash: you aren't getting both at 63 either way.

Also, interior pass rush is a far more finite resource than a run stuffing 2 gap DT. This is just ass backwards thinking in the modern NFL, even after the RB renaissance last year.

[Mecca]

I thought all the Tennessee guys were difficult to gauge because they rotated their DL like hockey lines. Dude has a lot of potential and some really nice measurables, first step is there...but it's hard to judge if he was doing what he was because he was incredibly fresh against tired guys.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I thought all the Tennessee guys were difficult to gauge because they rotated their DL like hockey lines. Dude has a lot of potential and some really nice measurables, first step is there...but it's hard to judge if he was doing what he was because he was incredibly fresh against tired guys.

Saw Matt Lane bring this up as well, but if your main concern is that he's a rotational player, that's not exactly going to change in the NFL.

He's still going to be much more fresh than the guys blocking him.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Saw Matt Lane bring this up as well, but if your main concern is that he's a rotational player, that's not exactly going to change in the NFL.

He's still going to be much more fresh than the guys blocking him.

I preferred Darius Alexander as a prospect but he isn't without questions either so it is what it is.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I preferred Darius Alexander as a prospect but he isn't without questions either so it is what it is.

I thought Alexander was the better prospect, but he's also like 25. He's supposed to be further along, and age for age, he's not as far as he should be.