Chiefs What if Charles really did get more carries? Wicket stat. - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2010, 11:37 AM

He could break off 2K in our system, that's what.

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• Jamaal Charles (notes)

The Kansas City Chiefs running back had 14 touches for 153 total yards and a touchdown, and helped ease the load for the returning Matt Cassel (notes). His 80-yard run late in the fourth quarter – on the Chiefs’ first snap after the Rams pulled within 20-13 – locked the game up. Here’s a wicked stat: Charles has 1,961 rushing yards in his last 17 games. And he did that on only 297 carries. That’s a staggering average of 6.6 yards per carry.

HoneyBadger · 12-20-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

I think this was weis' plan all along. Carefully use JC. Get to the playoffs, and pound that MFer 25 times a game and make everyone pay.

Shhhh!!! Your going to let the opposing teams know our game plan.....

HoneyBadger · 12-20-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out what a "wicket stat" is. Sounds like cricket.

Its probably a euro-trash term.

Hootie · 12-20-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Looks like you do care, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But like I said, if you want to really know, just go back and watch the games for yourself. I can think of 6 drops right now off the top of my head. Ones that stand out anyways. And I know there are more. But you don't give a shit.

The funny thing is we all have different opinions of what a drop is. Todd Haley has a different number than PFF, and STATS.

please name the 6 drops off the top of your head

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out what a "wicket stat" is. Sounds like cricket.

I left that there on purpose, because I was hoping for an Ewok joke.

Frosty · 12-20-2010, 03:22 PM

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I left that there on purpose, because I was hoping for an Ewok joke.

I just googled what wickets had to do with Ewoks. Waaay too obscure for me.

-King- · 12-20-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Nice backpedal.

Personally, I'm going to trust that the worldwide leader in sports statistics have agreed on what constitutes a drop, and are consistent in applying it.

I mean, it's only their job.

I don't give a shit what YOU think is a drop.

What's next, are you going to dispute his catch total on NFL.com? His yardage?

Wait....so now you're saying that the drop stat isn't subjective?

nstygma · 12-20-2010, 04:04 PM

hold on, why aren't you also looking at this info(link):

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Incomplete Pass Information
Targets	     Drops	     Percent Caught	    Percent First Down
114	      5	                53.5	                        40.4

so cassel overthrew or missed bowe 48 times this year(he has 61 catches)?

-King- · 12-20-2010, 04:05 PM

OnTheWarpath....the next Dane in terms of hypocritical posts?

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's subjective.

Just like the "drops" stat.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Which is why the drop stat is ****ing reeruned.

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Funny how you ignore the stat I posted for 2008.

And ignore BossChief's post.

And ignore that drops are a subjective stat. What's considered a drop in Kc may not be considered a drop in Houston or New Orleans.

Which is why it's ****ing reeruned to get worked up over.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Again, drops are a subjective stat.

If the ball is thrown well behind Bowe, and he has to attempt a circus catch and fails, is that a drop?

It shouldn't be.

Are the decision makers checking replays to see if the defender got a piece of the ball, or are they going on what they see at full speed?

I can think of 2 or 3 instances last year where people here got pissy over a supposed drop and the replay showed the defender getting a hand on the ball.

....I can go on for about 100 posts...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Wait....so now you're saying that the drop stat isn't subjective?

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Originally Posted by -King-

OnTheWarpath....the next Dane in terms of hypocritical posts?

....I can go on for about 100 posts...

Sure, the stat is subjective to you or I.

STATS has an established, uniform criteria set to determine what is and what isn't a drop.

I'm going to trust the experts over the fans on this one.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nstygma

hold on, why aren't you also looking at this info(link):

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Incomplete Pass Information
Targets	     Drops	     Percent Caught	    Percent First Down
114	      5	                53.5	                        40.4

so cassel overthrew or missed bowe 48 times this year(he has 61 catches)?

He could have been overthrown, missed or the defender could have defended the pass.

-King- · 12-20-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sure, the stat is subjective to you or I.

STATS has an established, uniform criteria set to determine what is and what isn't a drop.

I'm going to trust the experts over the fans on this one.

Bowe had 2 straight drops in Houston. The TD pass and the quick slant. He also had a drop at Indy. He had that drop on 3rd down in Oakland. Thats 4 drops. You're saying that he only had 1 other drop in his other 500 plays?

Chief Henry · 12-20-2010, 04:19 PM

It seems like those 5 dropped passes were against Indy, Texas and Oakland. But hey, I'm not going to argue with any poster that wants to use world wide leader in sports statistics about 20 times in one thread. Who am I to discredit any poster that has a lock on using world wide leader in statistics.

BTW, maybe if Bowe didn't lead the league in dropped passes in 2008 with 12 and another 10 dropped passes in 2009 we wouldn't be having this conversation would we ?

Maybe we can all agree that most of his dropped passes this year have come at crucial times. But hey, maybe the world wide leader in sports statistics can refute that as well

I'm glad he is improving substantially from his two previous years of playing with 11 thumbs. Christian Okoye had the corner of playing with 11 thumbs during his career.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Bowe had 2 straight drops in Houston. The TD pass and the quick slant. He also had a drop at Indy. He had that drop on 3rd down in Oakland. Thats 4 drops. You're saying that he only had 1 other drop in his other 500 plays?

Hard to take you seriously when you can't get your facts straight.

He had the two straight drops in Indy, not Houston.

I don't recall a drop in Houston. Feel free to show evidence to the contrary.

The drop in Oakland. That's three.

nstygma · 12-20-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry

It seems like those 5 dropped passes were against Indy, Texas and Oakland. But hey, I'm not going to argue with any poster that wants to use world wide leader in sports statistics about 20 times in one thread. Who am I to discredit any poster that has a lock on using world wide leader in statistics.

BTW, maybe if Bowe didn't lead the league in dropped passes in 2008 with 12 and another 10 dropped passes in 2009 we wouldn't be having this conversation would we ?

Maybe we can all agree that most of his dropped passes this year have come at crucial times. But hey, maybe the world wide leader in sports statistics can refute that as well

I'm glad he is improving substantially from his two previous years of playing with 11 thumbs. Christian Okoye had the corner of playing with 11 thumbs during his career.

perhaps the technical definition they use for defining drops is "when the ball hits the player in both hands and he doesn't catch the ball, and there is no defender within 5 yards of him" or something similar. that would rule out many incidents we generally regard as being a drop since sometimes it bounces off his chest or there's a defender a few yards away

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nstygma

perhaps the technical definition they use for defining drops is "when the ball hits the player in both hands and he doesn't catch the ball, and there is no defender within 5 yards of him" or something similar. that would rule out many incidents we generally regard as being a drop since sometimes it bounces off his chest or there's a defender a few yards away

Yeah, I'm sure that is it.

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nstygma Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ¿ Casino cash: $6939775	hold on, why aren't you also looking at this info(link): Code: Incomplete Pass Information Targets Drops Percent Caught Percent First Down 114 5 53.5 40.4 so cassel overthrew or missed bowe 48 times this year(he has 61 catches)? __________________ you've heard that voice so long you believe it to be you
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Chief Henry MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IOWA Casino cash: $10005088	It seems like those 5 dropped passes were against Indy, Texas and Oakland. But hey, I'm not going to argue with any poster that wants to use world wide leader in sports statistics about 20 times in one thread. Who am I to discredit any poster that has a lock on using world wide leader in statistics. BTW, maybe if Bowe didn't lead the league in dropped passes in 2008 with 12 and another 10 dropped passes in 2009 we wouldn't be having this conversation would we ? Maybe we can all agree that most of his dropped passes this year have come at crucial times. But hey, maybe the world wide leader in sports statistics can refute that as well I'm glad he is improving substantially from his two previous years of playing with 11 thumbs. Christian Okoye had the corner of playing with 11 thumbs during his career. __________________ Patrick Mahomes...The only QB to ever play in the NFL with at least 5,000 passing yards in a single season and 5,000 passing yards in a single college season.
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