Chiefs Bernard Pollard a predicted Pro Bowler!! - Page 10

Pooch · 07-23-2010, 03:19 PM

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Micjones · 07-23-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Funny, DJ had a similar game in Baltimore.

Half as many tackles, half as many INT's, 2 fewer TD's, 3 fewer passes defensed. Sounds similar.

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To claim that Heley's mind games is going to make DJ a better player is ****ing ridiculous.

Remains to be seen, but I suspect his being challenged will help.

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To think otherwise is to say, "**** it."

Might as well cut Albert and Bowe as well.

Yeah. Like they cut Johnson.

-King- · 07-23-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He's been chastised for drops since we drafted him.

Just pointing out that premier WR's drop the ball at a similar rate.

Not sure why you'd be surprised that his drop rate rose while Haley was constantly up his ass.

9:47
10:70
10:101

is not the same rate.

Like GoChiefs is saying...if he can balance out the drops with catches, then fine. But if he has less than 50 catches but still 9 drops, then that's a problem.

Micjones · 07-23-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I guess you didn't see what he did in Houston?

Yes, I saw him play inspired football after being walked by the team that drafted him with an infinitely more talented assortment of defensive players around him.

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You think he couldn't have done that in KC with competent coaching?

It's hard to say...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-23-2010, 08:55 PM

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Well, this is just me, but I never had a problem with Bowe's apparent "butterfingers" before last year, because he was caught 86 balls in 08.

Catch only 47, and miss 5 games, and it's a problem.

So let's get to the root of the issue:

Why only 47 catches?

For one, he was only getting targeted 3-5 times a game over the first half of the season.

Then he missed 4 games.

If you remember, me, among others were pissed that we were running an offense through LJ, Wade and Long and not Bowe.

There were tons of plays that Bowe wasn't even looked at.

49th among WR in targets with 87. 7.25 per game.

He was 3rd in the league in targets in 2008 with 157. 9.81 targets per game.

If he was targeted more, there's no doubt he would have met or exceeded his stats from 2008.

Reerun_KC · 07-23-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Yes, I saw him play inspired football after being walked by the team that drafted him with an infinitely more talented assortment of defensive players around him.

It's hard to say...

He played very well in Houston... Now he has a chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong...

**BossChief** · 07-23-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

9:47
10:70
10:101

is not the same rate.

Like GoChiefs is saying...if he can balance out the drops with catches, then fine. But if he has less than 50 catches but still 9 drops, then that's a problem.

Matt Cassel

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-23-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

9:47
10:70
10:101

is not the same rate.

Like GoChiefs is saying...if he can balance out the drops with catches, then fine. But if he has less than 50 catches but still 9 drops, then that's a problem.

Funny how you ignore the stat I posted for 2008.

And ignore BossChief's post.

And ignore that drops are a subjective stat. What's considered a drop in Kc may not be considered a drop in Houston or New Orleans.

Which is why it's ****ing reeruned to get worked up over.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-23-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Half as many tackles, half as many INT's, 2 fewer TD's, 3 fewer passes defensed. Sounds similar.

Remains to be seen, but I suspect his being challenged will help.

Yeah. Like they cut Johnson.

Holy shit.

You really want to imply that Johnson's gone because of his PLAY?

Had LJ stayed out of trouble, Charles would have never saw the field. ****, he was INACTIVE for a game, that's how much the staff thought of him.

Just like Wade Smith not seeing the field had Goff not gotten hurt.

Micjones · 07-23-2010, 09:00 PM

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Seems like your argument, Mic, all boils down to him being expendable because we hadn't invested highly in him like we have Cassel and Jackson.

Or it might also be mindful of the fact that he was disgruntled in year one of a regime change, was a liability in pass coverage and missed far too many tackles.

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Those players who we haven't invested as much in, who are making a small salary, are usually the players that make or break a franchise.

I'm doing my best not to create a strawman out of this excerpt, but you're making it difficult. Do you really believe losing Pollard BREAKS this franchise?

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Having talented low-priced players is essential to being successful and making a championship run.

On this point we agree.

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When/if McCluster and Arenas are nothing more than average the next two years, should they be flat-out cut?

Given their roles... Unless they both show something... I wouldn't at all be surprised to see one or both of them gone from or at least have a reduced role on this team.

**BossChief** · 07-23-2010, 09:05 PM

Ive said it before, I think Bowe has the potential to be almost identical to TO. The big yardage, the big play ability, the competitor, the consistent lack of concentration drops...lets just hope Haley gets his hooks in him so that he doesnt develop into the same type of cancer. I think he will and like Ive been saying I see Bowe going for over 1250 yards this year with 12 or more touchdowns. That should be about the norm IMO from here on out with the work he seemingly has been putting in to improve.

He is a kid, but a good kid. Just immature.

RedThat · 07-23-2010, 09:07 PM

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Picture a slower Mike Brown (2009, not Brown in his prime) but with better instincts.

That's Kendrick Lewis.

I'll take the instincts. Put him at SS. But is he really that slow??

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-23-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Or it might also be mindful of the fact that he was disgruntled in year one of a regime change, was a liability in pass coverage and missed far too many tackles.

I'm mindful of the fact that is was going into his third year of being mis-used.

If Clancy Pendergast wasn't just as incompetent as Gunther, I wonder if we're even having this conversation.

He was a liability in pass coverage because he was constantly asked to play in coverage. It'd be like putting Tamba Hali at MLB. He'd get abused, because he's being asked to do something that doesn't benefit him or the team.

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I'm doing my best not to create a strawman out of this excerpt, but you're making it difficult. Do you really believe losing Pollard BREAKS this franchise?

Losing Pollard alone? Of course not.

Treating young players like shit and cutting them when they defend themselves, however, has the potential to become a bigger issue.

I know I'm not the only person that saw a change in attitude in this team after the Pittsburgh game - i.e. the first game after Haley realized he wasn't getting anywhere by ranting, raving and treating players and assistant coaches like shit.

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Given their roles... Unless they both show something... I wouldn't at all be surprised to see one or both of them gone from or at least have a reduced role on this team.

I don't agree. I am enjoying the football talk though.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-23-2010, 09:10 PM

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I'll take the instincts. Put him at SS. But is he really that slow??

You can time the kid with a sundial.

For example, Rolando McClain, rookie MLB for the Raiders - and considered slow by most here - had a better 40 time and weighs 70 pounds more.

Micjones · 07-23-2010, 09:16 PM

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Holy shit.

You really want to imply that Johnson's gone because of his PLAY?

Derrick Johnson sir. Derrick Johnson.

**BossChief** · 07-23-2010, 09:16 PM

However big a mistake it was to let Pollard go, it made an impact on the team. It sent a message of how they were going to be doing business at 1 arrowhead drive. It was no longer "Club Herm" and cussing and such was gonna be part off the coaching, as were having higher standards and different motivational techniques.

I find it very assuring that it was taken correctly by the team, as the only one that hasn't been to ALL of the voluntary and mandatory workouts this offseason was Page. The team bought into what they are selling and hopefully that starts to show on the field throughout this year. I cant remember that EVER happening for as long as Ive been emotionally invested into this team. It should not go unnoticed.

Its just too bad they couldn't "make it work" and have had the same message gone over without losing one of our younger ascending players in "the process".

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1545912	Ive said it before, I think Bowe has the potential to be almost identical to TO. The big yardage, the big play ability, the competitor, the consistent lack of concentration drops...lets just hope Haley gets his hooks in him so that he doesnt develop into the same type of cancer. I think he will and like Ive been saying I see Bowe going for over 1250 yards this year with 12 or more touchdowns. That should be about the norm IMO from here on out with the work he seemingly has been putting in to improve. He is a kid, but a good kid. Just immature. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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07-23-2010, 09:16 PM	#150
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1545912	However big a mistake it was to let Pollard go, it made an impact on the team. It sent a message of how they were going to be doing business at 1 arrowhead drive. It was no longer "Club Herm" and cussing and such was gonna be part off the coaching, as were having higher standards and different motivational techniques. I find it very assuring that it was taken correctly by the team, as the only one that hasn't been to ALL of the voluntary and mandatory workouts this offseason was Page. The team bought into what they are selling and hopefully that starts to show on the field throughout this year. I cant remember that EVER happening for as long as Ive been emotionally invested into this team. It should not go unnoticed. Its just too bad they couldn't "make it work" and have had the same message gone over without losing one of our younger ascending players in "the process". __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
Posts: 47,876