60 Minutes A-Rod Story

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Which makes the 162 (and the 211 awarded that came before it) a completely arbitrary decision with no precedent.

So was Braun's 65 game suspension

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

So was Braun's 65 game suspension

I agree. But that decision was a mutual one.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Which makes the 162 (and the 211 awarded that came before it) a completely arbitrary decision with no precedent.

Originally Posted by dirk digler

So was Braun's 65 game suspension

Mediator - parties agreed to the decision, baseball gets him out for a year right away instead of dragging out the appeal process. A-roid avoids a lifetime ban or the longer suspension, and holds out hope.

Meanwhile he can play outside MLB to stay in shape, show teams what he still has left in the tank, and prays some team will take his brokeass on their 25 man roster.

With his bum hip, other various injuries, and off the juice, he's a prime candidate for being injury prone and declining numbers at the plate. He's already a bit of a liability in the field, and I hope no club even gives him a whiff of interest, so he can fall off the face of the Earth.

[KC_Connection]

I'm sure Selig would love to blackball him out of the game like Barry Bonds. It will probably be considerably easier to do so because, unlike the 2007 version of Barry, ARod isn't still one of the best hitters in baseball.

[ISWThunder]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Mediator - parties agreed to the decision, baseball gets him out for a year right away instead of dragging out the appeal process. A-roid avoids a lifetime ban or the longer suspension, and holds out hope.

Meanwhile he can play outside MLB to stay in shape, show teams what he still has left in the tank, and prays some team will take his brokeass on their 25 man roster.

With his bum hip, other various injuries, and off the juice, he's a prime candidate for being injury prone and declining numbers at the plate. He's already a bit of a liability in the field, and I hope no club even gives him a whiff of interest, so he can fall off the face of the Earth.

Even after a full year suspension, A-Rod will have 3-years and $61 million left on his guaranteed contract with the Yankees.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by ISWThunder

Even after a full year suspension, A-Rod will have 3-years and $61 million left on his guaranteed contract with the Yankees.

That isn't all that important. What IS important is that the Yankees aren't over the salary cap this year. That resets the clock on number of consecutive seasons over the cap and saves them a shitload going forward.

[ISWThunder]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

That isn't all that important. What IS important is that the Yankees aren't over the salary cap this year. That resets the clock on number of consecutive seasons over the cap and saves them a shitload going forward.

It is important in the context of the quoted statement, which involves the idea of A-Rod looking for a job after his suspension is over.

And it's still no guarantee that the Yankees will be under the threshold.

The Yankees are far from a complete team, right now. They are reportedly one of the finalists for Tanaka, which will cost them close to $20 million and guarantee that they go over the luxury tax.

The NY Post currently has them at $153.5 million with only 14 players contributing to that number and notes that they have to add roughly $16 million for insurance/pensions and in-season minor-leage call ups. That number also doesn't count arbitration eligible players like Gardner, Nunez, Robertson and Nova (about $6.5 million at minimum - MLBTR has it projected at over $12 million). That puts the Yankees at roughly $176 million with more holes to fill.

$10 million is more than enough to sign 8 players but probably not enough to make them a contender. $4.5 million means that the Yankees are toast and are better off signing Tanaka and forgetting the cap. That's also only taking the 25-man roster into account and not the 40.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by ISWThunder

It is important in the context of the quoted statement, which involves the idea of A-Rod looking for a job after his suspension is over.

And it's still no guarantee that the Yankees will be under the threshold.

The Yankees are far from a complete team, right now. They are reportedly one of the finalists for Tanaka, which will cost them close to $20 million and guarantee that they go over the luxury tax.

The NY Post currently has them at $153.5 million with only 14 players contributing to that number and notes that they have to add roughly $16 million for insurance/pensions and in-season minor-leage call ups. That number also doesn't count arbitration eligible players like Gardner, Nunez, Robertson and Nova (about $6.5 million at minimum - MLBTR has it projected at over $12 million). That puts the Yankees at roughly $176 million with more holes to fill.

$10 million is more than enough to sign 8 players but probably not enough to make them a contender. $4.5 million means that the Yankees are toast and are better off signing Tanaka and forgetting the cap. That's also only taking the 25-man roster into account and not the 40.

The $20MM posting fee does not count towards the luxury tax. There are several stories out saying that if they get Tanaka on a backloaded deal, they can still fill out their roster with cheap players and squeek under the $189MM limit.

I agree that they can't stay under that soft cap AND field a contender in 2014, but I think they are willing to punt 2014 with an eye towards going wild the next couple seasons.

[ISWThunder]

Originally Posted by alnorth

The $20MM posting fee does not count towards the luxury tax. There are several stories out saying that if they get Tanaka on a backloaded deal, they can still fill out their roster with cheap players and squeek under the $189MM limit.

I agree that they can't stay under that soft cap AND field a contender in 2014, but I think they are willing to punt 2014 with an eye towards going wild the next couple seasons.

I know that the posting fee won't count, but most people guess that Tanaka's future deal will be worth over $100 million and possibly between $17-22 million per year.

And that's not how the luxury cap threshold works. MLB averages out the entire contract and asses the tax by average value. That is why A-Rod's salary cap number was 27.5 even though he would have made $25 million this year.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by ISWThunder

It is important in the context of the quoted statement, which involves the idea of A-Rod looking for a job after his suspension is over.

And it's still no guarantee that the Yankees will be under the threshold.

The Yankees are far from a complete team, right now. They are reportedly one of the finalists for Tanaka, which will cost them close to $20 million and guarantee that they go over the luxury tax.

The NY Post currently has them at $153.5 million with only 14 players contributing to that number and notes that they have to add roughly $16 million for insurance/pensions and in-season minor-leage call ups. That number also doesn't count arbitration eligible players like Gardner, Nunez, Robertson and Nova (about $6.5 million at minimum - MLBTR has it projected at over $12 million). That puts the Yankees at roughly $176 million with more holes to fill.

$10 million is more than enough to sign 8 players but probably not enough to make them a contender. $4.5 million means that the Yankees are toast and are better off signing Tanaka and forgetting the cap. That's also only taking the 25-man roster into account and not the 40.

They can spend whatever they want, it's only limited by how much they want to spend. Geez, I really feel bad for the Yankees having to stretch their budget in order to field a competitive team.

/Me, Royals fan

[cosmo20002]

I would seriously love for the yanks to get butt raped on this. They've had a financial advantage over almost everyone for years, which is what allowed them to sign ARod to such a bloated deal in the first place. Sorry it backfired, they can choke on it.

[ISWThunder]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

They can spend whatever they want, it's only limited by how much they want to spend. Geez, I really feel bad for the Yankees having to stretch their budget in order to field a competitive team.

/Me, Royals fan

That is not the point we were discussing. Obviously, they can spend whatever they want. But ownership has claimed that they want to control spending and the best way for them to do that is to get under the luxury threshold and reset the tax penalty.

It is stupid for them to spend $190 million and field a team that is uncompetitive. If they are going to go over the threshold once again, they should be all in on Tanaka because they desperately need starting pitching.

It is useless to bring in someone like Ervin Santana and continue to lose while spending atrocious amounts of money, but obviously they arent going to throw in the towel because of an imaginary budgetary constraint.

As a Royals fan, you should hope that the Yankees miss out on Tanaka and continue to overpay mediocre/over the hill players. They will suck this year and then we get the pleasure of watching them pay A-Rod $60 million more and limp towards his contractual incentives.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

That isn't all that important. What IS important is that the Yankees aren't over the salary cap this year. That resets the clock on number of consecutive seasons over the cap and saves them a shitload going forward.

There is no cap in baseball. Did the kc owners tell you that?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

There is no cap in baseball. Did the kc owners tell you that?

Knowledge is your friend. There is a soft cap with a luxury tax penalty above $189MM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_tax_%28sports%29

The threshold level for the luxury tax will be $189MM in 2014 (up from $178MM from 2011-2013) and will remain at $189MM through 2016. From 2012 through 2016, teams who exceed the threshold for the first time must pay 17.5% of the amount they are over, 30% for the second consecutive year over, 40% for the third consecutive year over, and 50% for four or more consecutive years over the cap.^[3]

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Knowledge is your friend. There is a soft cap with a luxury tax penalty above $189MM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_tax_%28sports%29

It is not a cap and teams like ny boston la pay the luxury tax like its a parking ticket.