Cassel or Sanchez?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

... but no one talks about how many YAC they had when TB was behind center....

Moss and Welker hit the scene in 2007 with NE and that is when Brady went berzerko from a stats perspective. Prior to that, Brady has a solid producer with mid/high 3k passing efforts and in the mid/high 20's for TDs.

All I'm saying is that is one hell of a receiving duo, the likes of which few teams have... KC being one of them, so it will be interesting to see what Matt does in 2009.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Moss and Welker hit the scene in 2007 with NE and that is when Brady went berzerko from a stats perspective. Prior to that, Brady has a solid producer with mid/high 3k passing efforts and in the mid/high 20's for TDs.

Out of fairness to him, he'd been a 'solid producer' with nothing in the way of receivers and pedestrian runningbacks. He carried that offense for years on his own. We're talking about a guy proven to be a top player at his position in his own right.

That offense wasn't even close to the same with Cassel last year, although it probably wouldn't ever repeat 2007's numbers even with Brady. That was a 'stars align' kind of year.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

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That offense wasn't even close to the same with Cassel last year, although it probably wouldn't ever repeat 2007's numbers even with Brady. That was a 'stars align' kind of year.

i have been saying this for a month, some people here have annointed the pats as last years champs had brady played and bashed cassel for not doing the exact same thing that brady did before. i have said multiple times brady probably wouldnt have done that last year again, look at peyton manning's career stats, consistent years and one HUGE year then back to the same as before

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i have been saying this for a month, some people here have annointed the pats as last years champs had brady played and bashed cassel for not doing the exact same thing that brady did before. i have said multiple times brady probably wouldnt have done that last year again, look at peyton manning's career stats, consistent years and one HUGE year then back to the same as before

I doubt Brady would have repeated those stats either... but, let's not act as if 1 year proves that Cassel is in the same league as those two guys just yet. If he were, the Pats would have kept him and traded Brady.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I doubt Brady would have repeated those stats either... but, let's not act as if 1 year proves that Cassel is in the same league as those two guys just yet. If he were, the Pats would have kept him and traded Brady.

i'm not acting like he's in that league... yet, read back i say multiple times people expect him to BE TB and TB wasnt TB his frirst year, he grew into it over multiple years, cassel showed that he has the ability to learn and grow so who knows what his upside is

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i'm not acting like he's in that league... yet, read back i say multiple times people expect him to BE TB and TB wasnt TB his frirst year, he grew into it over multiple years, cassel showed that he has the ability to learn and grow so who knows what his upside is

Again, in Brady's first year of action - they won a SB. Sure, Cassel showed he's worth being a starter, but ...

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

they had apretty good d then no???

In 2008, the NE defense was ranked 6th in points allowed and 6th in yards allowed.

In 2001, the NE defense was ranked 7th in points allowed and 25th in yards allowed.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Moss and Welker hit the scene in 2007 with NE and that is when Brady went berzerko from a stats perspective. Prior to that, Brady has a solid producer with mid/high 3k passing efforts and in the mid/high 20's for TDs.

All I'm saying is that is one hell of a receiving duo, the likes of which few teams have... KC being one of them, so it will be interesting to see what Matt does in 2009.

i just think some of the arguments used against cassel are baseless, these guys arent taking into account that brady had the same things happen the year before. does that downgrade brady also? and yeah cassel didnt have as good of #s but would brady have had those same #s his first year?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Out of fairness to him, he'd been a 'solid producer' with nothing in the way of receivers and pedestrian runningbacks. He carried that offense for years on his own.

True, I wasn't trying to gloss over that... Brady was a great QB without a stellar set of WRs.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i just think some of the arguments used against cassel are baseless, these guys arent taking into account that brady had the same things happen the year before. does that downgrade brady also? and yeah cassel didnt have as good of #s but would brady have had those same #s his first year?

That's the thing - nobody knows. Look at Tom Brady in that 'offensive system' prior to Moss/Welker. Brady was a consistent winner and nice stats producer. Enter Moss/Welker and he rewrites the record books.

So, Cassel stepped into an offense with two phenom WRs that had helped Brady be one of the top 2-3 QBs in the league for the last half decade.

Yeah, I totally get why some may question Cassel's ability to produce outside of that environment. Could he be Tom Brady part Deaux? Sure... but, I have to see it to believe it.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

True, I wasn't trying to gloss over that... Brady was a great QB without a stellar set of WRs.



That's the thing - nobody knows. Look at Tom Brady in that 'offensive system' prior to Moss/Welker. Brady was a consistent winner and nice stats producer. Enter Moss/Welker and he rewrites the record books.

So, Cassel stepped into an offense with two phenom WRs that had helped Brady be one of the top 2-3 QBs in the league for the last half decade.

Yeah, I totally get why some may question Cassel's ability to produce outside of that environment. Could he be Tom Brady part Deaux? Sure... but, I have to see it to believe it.

was tom brady "that guy" his first year(top 2-3)??? nope why should cassel be expected to step in right off and be the tom brady of 2007???

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

was tom brady "that guy" his first year(top 2-3)??? nope why should cassel be expected to step in right off and be the tom brady of 2007???

Ummm... the first time Brady stepped in at QB (in relief of Bledsoe) was Brady's 2nd NFL season and hmmm, yeah they won the SB.

Is this really the path you want to take?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ummm... the first time Brady stepped in at QB (in relief of Bledsoe) was Brady's 2nd NFL season and hmmm, yeah they won the SB.

Is this really the path you want to take?

they had apretty good d then no???

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ummm... the first time Brady stepped in at QB (in relief of Bledsoe) was Brady's 2nd NFL season and hmmm, yeah they won the SB.

Is this really the path you want to take?

brady had 2843 yards 18 tds 12 ints yep thats top 2-3 qbs that year

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

brady had 2843 yards 18 tds 12 ints yep thats top 2-3 qbs that year

I never said Brady was a top 2-3 guy in his first year. I said he's been in a system that has helped him be a top 2-3 guy for the last half decade.

In his first season, he won a SB... who gives a shit what his QB rank was that year? Cassel had better stats in 2008 compared to Brady in 2001, but what does it matter... Cassel never saw post-season and his reward was being sent to KC.