Devil's advocate-Chiefs shouldn't have signed Cassel & should've waited & signed Vick

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs offense in the last 7 games of the year improved greatly and was performing in the top half the league using Gailey's modified spread offense. This offense used a running QB who threw primarily short, quick passes and the QB lead the league in rushing for his position.

This offense would have been perfect for Michael Vick, who led the league in QB rushing several times. Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker, but Gailey's offense which relied on easy decision making, mostly short passes and the QB running the ball would have fit Vick perfectly. And this offense is more suited to the Chiefs current offensive line which has and will struggle. The Chiefs could have allowed Thigpen and Vick to compete but obviously Thigpen would have the job for at least the first 6 games.

This would have also allowed the Chiefs to use their draft differently to fill many gaping holes and obvious lack of depth with the offensive line, linebacker, a pass rusher, TE and wide receiver.

The Chiefs could have stuck with the 4-3 and tried to overhaul their defense with Curry, Everette Brown or Ray Malaugua (Brown & Malaugua were both available in the 2nd round), or Michael Johnson (available in the 3rd round).

Or they could have mixed that in with trying to revamp their offensive line with the many players that were available or with a TE like Jared Cook who was available in the 3rd round who would have complimented our big TE, Cottam.

Instead we are stuck with watching a young QB play behind a weak offensive line and throw to receivers that drop many passes or can't stay healthy with out the best pass catching option from last year. And the only significant improvement to one of the worst defenses in the league was to the defensive line and a couple of old linebackers.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I don't give a **** about Vick's past as it relates to this thread/post. What I DO give a **** about, is that this premise is thee dumbest ****ing thing I have yet to ever read that is football-related on Chiefs Planet.
This premise deserves nothing less than the hiring of a sky-writer to write the following message in the aforementioned sky:

KILL YOURSELF/HAMAS.

Yes, Hamas has disappeared for the time being. But when someone posts something as utterly ****ing football reeruned as this thread/premise, Hamas senses it and calls me on the Emergency Kill Yourself/Hamas Bat-Phone.

Please, PLEASE refrain from Full Football reerun in the future; it hurts everyone.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Vick was released by Atlanta earlier this off-season.

He's an unrestricted free-agent.

Or is this sarcasm?

I see what you did there!

LOL It's my spinoff from DP's thread yesterday. I love Dorsey, always have.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Do you know what players were available with that 2nd pick???

It doesn't matter. Vick or Cassel.... neither one is the key to what defense the Chiefs were going to run.

Or are you actually trying to claim that the Chiefs wouldn't have changed from the 4-3 to the 3-4 without Cassel?

[Duck Dog]

Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker

I'm pretty sure that's a requirement for the job. Why would we even consider it without knowing Vicks availability at the time?

[wild1]

Without question, the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Well, maybe that is a stretch. But it's the dumbest thing I have read in a long time.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The offense would have been good enough to get the team to the playoffs with an improved defense. If Vick could have played better than Thigpen, which I expect that he could have.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Curry, Maluagua, and Michael Johnson and stuck with the 4-3, there defense would have drastically improved.

Check the stats on the 07 Chiefs defense. If you put the 07 Chiefs defense with the offense that ended 2008, that team would be a good beginning, a possible playoff team to build around.

Dude, you are dumb. Vick sucks as a passer. In his last 2 years in the league, he was something like 53% completions.

And above all else, I am glad we didn't pick up a scumbag like him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And Duck Dong; .

[Duck Dog]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

And Duck Dong; .

Still bitter? Chicks always hold a grudge.

[Jethopper]

NO!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Of course, this is a horrible long-term solution. It also appears to be a horrible short-term solution. I'm not convinced that Vick would be better than Thiggy at QB right now.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Dude, you are dumb. Vick sucks as a passer. In his last 2 years in the league, he was something like 53% completions.

And above all else, I am glad we didn't pick up a scumbag like him.

You can't take a QB like Vick and make him into a west coast QB. That's not his strength. It won't work.

You let him throw short passes and run. He's better at that than anyone. Vick is probably the best runner of any QB in history.

Really, no one knows how it would have worked out. No one in the NFL has run an offense like Gailey's last year in the NFL. Vick definitely has not had and probably never will have the opportunity to run an offense like that.

It sure would have been fun to watch.

[BigMeatballDave]

Wee.
Todd.
Id.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Or are you actually trying to claim that the Chiefs wouldn't have changed from the 4-3 to the 3-4 without Cassel?

No, I am not. They were going to change when they hired Pioli.

But I think that is what BBs are for. It's interesting to think about what might have been knowing what we know now with how the draft played out.

There were a lot of players that were around in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds that I did not expect to be there.

I didn't expect Rey Malaugua or Everette Brown to be there in the 2nd.

Alot of people on this board wanted Brown with the #3 pick. I didn't, but he seemed like a bargain in the 2nd.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

No, I am not. They were going to change when they hired Pioli.

Then your whole opening post is reeruned.

[Tribal Warfare]

Yes, one of the dumbest suggestions I've read on ChiefsPlanet and that's saying alot since I've been here since its inception.