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Old 01-12-2010, 01:36 AM   #1
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The teams that are really good, are the teams that have dynamic playmakers but find linemen in later rounds.

And yes a guy like DeMarcus Ware counts as a playmaker not a trench player.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:48 AM   #2
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The teams that are really good, are the teams that have dynamic playmakers but find linemen in later rounds.

And yes a guy like DeMarcus Ware counts as a playmaker not a trench player.
The teams that are elite have an elite QB. Can anyone honestly say the Chiefs have an elite QB? Didn't think so.
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:40 PM   #3
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The teams that are elite have an elite QB. Can anyone honestly say the Chiefs have an elite QB? Didn't think so.
Do you think an offensive line with a Roaf-like LT can make a QB go from great to elite?
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Old 01-12-2010, 03:17 PM   #4
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If Cassel was 23 or 24 and was picked from a college team I would like him a whole lot better. He's just another back up or retread QB making his start for the KC Chiefs like Bono, Huard. They say 'give him a break this is his first year being a QB in Kansas City'. How many people would be pissed if we drafted a 27 year old out of college? That's basically what we did is draft a 27 year old with only one season of experience out side of high school.

He had a good season with the Patriots on a Super Bowl team. He would not have had a shot at playing that season if it wernt for Bernard Pollard taking out Tom Brady. We most likely wouldn't have even heard about Cassel if it wern't for Bernard Pollard. Cassel should wright Bernard a thank you card for getting him his shot to start.

Now then, the opening drive against Denver was very empressive. We waited all season for that. If he could do that more consistantly & move the chains on 3rd down I can learn to like him. It's going to take alot for me to trust in him however, next year he is going to be 28 and should be in his prime NO EXCUSES!! Next year he should not be treated like a rookie, he should be treated as the leader of the team, it should fall on his shoulders.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:48 PM   #5
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Do you think an offensive line with a Roaf-like LT can make a QB go from great to elite?
No; a QB is either elite or not. A great offensive line simply gives more time/opportunity for the QB to display his talent, but the offensive line does not "make a QB go from great to elite." Look at Elway, an elite QB who didn't always have the best protection.
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No; a QB is either elite or not. A great offensive line simply gives more time/opportunity for the QB to display his talent, but the offensive line does not "make a QB go from great to elite." Look at Elway, an elite QB who didn't always have the best protection.
He had a great line the years he won the Super Bowl. Once again, you have to have BOTH. Elway was elite without an O-line. But he wasn't a Super-Bowl winner. I don't care if he's elite or not as long as we win lots of championships.
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He had a great line the years he won the Super Bowl. Once again, you have to have BOTH. Elway was elite without an O-line. But he wasn't a Super-Bowl winner. I don't care if he's elite or not as long as we win lots of championships.
I don't care if we have the worst QB in the league as long as we win a super bowl.

That is the point. Winning the super bowl.

We've sucked so long that HOW we do that isn't exactly a luxury we can argue over...
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He had a great line the years he won the Super Bowl. Once again, you have to have BOTH. Elway was elite without an O-line. But he wasn't a Super-Bowl winner. I don't care if he's elite or not as long as we win lots of championships.
No, Elway won SuperBowls when the Broncos provided him with a superstar running back (Davis) which feeds back into Mecca's theory about playmakers. Honestly, look at this year's playoff teams and tell me what trends you see. Manning, Favre, Brady. Fairly consistently, the best QBs in the game go to the playoffs. Cassel has a chance to Kerry Collins his way to the SuperBowl once (I really doubt it, but it is possible), but Cassel is not an elite QB to head a dynasty.
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No, Elway won SuperBowls when the Broncos provided him with a superstar running back (Davis) which feeds back into Mecca's theory about playmakers. Honestly, look at this year's playoff teams and tell me what trends you see. Manning, Favre, Brady. Fairly consistently, the best QBs in the game go to the playoffs. Cassel has a chance to Kerry Collins his way to the SuperBowl once (I really doubt it, but it is possible), but Cassel is not an elite QB to head a dynasty.
Terrell Davis wasn't nearly as much of a playmaker as people make him out to be. It was Rat's zone block scheme that did it for them. That's why any person off of the street go go into Denver while he was there and run for 1,000. It puts the defense off its guard when they all have to worry about keeping their knees from folding out the wrong way.

Once again, the offensive line.
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