Chiefs trade scenario?

[kcbubb]

Every year players fall in the draft that we don't anticipate. I remember when many on this board were enamored with Everette Brown and Clausen and both fell to the 2nd round and several endorsed taking those players early.

I have also talked about trading down in previous years, but I feel that trading up may be a better option this year if the following scenario plays out.

If Julio Jones falls to the 12th pick in the draft where the Minnesota Vikings pick, the Chiefs should trade up to get him.

For starters I believe that Todd Hailey is one of the best WR and TE coaches in the game. If my memory serves me well, everywhere he goes, pro bowl WRs follow. I don't think the improved play of Dwayne Bowe is by chance.

Secondly, Julio Jones fits our system very well. We make running the ball a priority and he is the best run blockers in this draft that I am aware of. Also, he provides a deep threat. He needs polishing, but I believe that he would be pro bowler for the Chiefs with Haley's coaching. This situation appears to be one with a high floor and very high ceiling.

Third. The Vikings are in desperate need of a DT and we should be able to trade Glenn Dorsey to the Vikings for partial compensation in the trade. Dorsey is a better fit in there 4-3 system and provides immediate security for their problems with the old Williams wall, where one of the Williams maybe suspended. Dorsey has shown enough to provide considerable value to the Vikings in the 4-3, where he is a better fit.

I haven't looked at the trade chart, but I am guessing that the Vikings could get Dorsey, and maybe our 3rd and 5th and a pick next year depending on the play of Dorsey. Maybe this is too much or not quite enough, but I am guessing that it is in the ball park for a nine position move up depending on how you value Dorsey.


Go get one the best athletes in this draft!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profil...nes?id=2495454

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Pre Maddonna.

Awesome.

Whose keeping the CP lexicon/dictionary of uber-fantastic terminological verbage? Get out the quill and inkwell and book this sucker.

LOL, I saw that too and thought about giving him crap for it. I'm glad you did it instead of me.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Andre Johnson?

that's pretty close. But Johnson's number were not better than Jones.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

that's pretty close. But Johnson's number were not better than Jones.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

that's pretty close. But Johnson's number were not better than Jones.

What numbers? If you are talking combine, go check again. Johnson's are better.

[The Bad Guy]

Great. Just what this site needs - another ****ing person who knows jack shit about the draft process.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Great. Just what this site needs - another ****ing person who knows jack shit about the draft process.

I have to disagree. I think reeruns like kcbubb, findthedouche, and voyager are exactly what this place needs to garner excitement and discussion about the draft.

chiefscafan is good, but he just isn't enough

[OnTheWarpath15]

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SNR

I have to disagree. I think reeruns like kcbubb, findthedouche, and voyager are exactly what this place needs to garner excitement and discussion about the draft.

chiefscafan is good, but he just isn't enough

I agree with you a bit, though, with this thread, my initial post should have ended this discussion.

It was short, and to the point.

It covered everything that needed to be covered.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by SNR

I have to disagree. I think reeruns like kcbubb, findthedouche, and voyager are exactly what this place needs to garner excitement and discussion about the draft.

chiefscafan is good, but he just isn't enough

I guess you're right to a degree. It just makes my skin crawl, but it also makes me appreciate guys who actually know the draft, and the value of Glenn Dorsey to this team.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by milkman

Dumbass.

Why did this thread not end right here... with the above post?

Seriously....

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I guess you're right to a degree. It just makes my skin crawl, but it also makes me appreciate guys who actually know the draft, and the value of Glenn Dorsey to this team.

If, by value, you mean a lack of production, I feel you.

Four sacks and one forced fumble in three years. That's three years of starting 46 out of 47 games.

Awesome.

By comparison, Darnell Dockett, playing the same spot in the same alignment at about the same size, has 16 sacks and four forced fumbles over the same time period.

Now, Dorsey was substantially more active this past season and did log a career high 69 tackles (51 solo, 18 assists), but he wasn't very effective in penetrating or holding up the point of attack. A lot of his tackles were back-end pursuit types that he picked up as teams ran to his side inside the pass rush of Hali.

At this point, he hasn't lived up to the status of being the fifth overall selection in the 2008 draft. However, that particular draft is littered with bustos and it did look like a good selection at the time, particularly as we were running a 4-3 at that point.

I think he'd also do a lot better with a more active, run plugging NT beside him, and I hope that the team addresses that position in the draft. (Jerrell Powe or Chris Nield would be completely acceptable.)

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If, by value, you mean a lack of production, I feel you.

Four sacks and one forced fumble in three years. That's three years of starting 46 out of 47 games.

Awesome.

By comparison, Darnell Dockett, playing the same spot in the same alignment at about the same size, has 16 sacks and four forced fumbles over the same time period.

Now, Dorsey was substantially more active this past season and did log a career high 69 tackles (51 solo, 18 assists), but he wasn't very effective in penetrating or holding up the point of attack. A lot of his tackles were back-end pursuit types that he picked up as teams ran to his side inside the pass rush of Hali.

At this point, he hasn't lived up to the status of being the fifth overall selection in the 2008 draft. However, that particular draft is littered with bustos and it did look like a good selection at the time, particularly as we were running a 4-3 at that point.

I think he'd also do a lot better with a more active, run plugging NT beside him, and I hope that the team addresses that position in the draft. (Jerrell Powe or Chris Nield would be completely acceptable.)

haha

you put on this show if trying to be the "trenches" guy of the board and overvalue the need on all accounts...but then show how LITTLE you actually know about the "trenches" every time you chime in on a topic about them.

One second you are trying to paint Albert as the worst tackle in football and then make dumbshit claims like Dorsey has trouble holding the POA.

Milkman has a word for people like that/you.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by BossChief

haha

you put on this show if trying to be the "trenches" guy of the board and overvalue the need on all accounts...but then show how LITTLE you actually know about the "trenches" every time you chime in on a topic about them.

One second you are trying to paint Albert as the worst tackle in football and then make dumbshit claims like Dorsey has trouble holding the POA.

Milkman has a word for people like that/you.

Saccoshit is basically on the same level as the thread starter except he knows a lot of college football names.

[factortobe]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

If we're going strictly by athletic ability....Brandon Marshall is pretty ****ing good. He's got a 10 cent head....but he's ****ing athletic as hell.

Donks fan

[kcbubb]

Dorsey has been solid but not spectacular in the 3-4. He has the potential to great in the 4-3. He has more value to other teams than he does to the chiefs. If you guys can't see that you are idiots. That is obvious. The Chiefs could benefit by trading him if they could receive fair value because he would be more valuable to another team.

I may have forgotten about the rule about trading players in the current CBA, but you guys definitely don't know the draft better than any other guy. Half of you guys were all over Everette Brown and Clausen and they both suck. So suck it. You guys are pompious idiots.