Would you pay Bowe $120-130M for 8 years?

[jAZ]

According to...

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

RT @ChiefsOrioles12 Do the Chiefs get Bowe signed long term before the 16th? ... Doubt it. Believed to be seeking big-time money.

Which means...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...act-with-lions

Johnson is scheduled to earn close to $130 million over the next eight seasons, including $113.5 million over the final seven years of the deal, league sources told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

The contract includes $4.5 million in an existing roster bonus that's due on the final year of his rookie deal.


The deal also includes $53 million in guaranteed money, with Johnson's $1.25 million base salary in 2012 guaranteed, and $36 million due in signing and option bonuses. According to La Canfora, $11.5 million in future salary is guaranteed for injury only.

The contract makes Johnson -- who scorched the NFL with 96 catches for 1,681 yards and 16 touchdowns in 2011 -- the highest-paid wide receiver in league history, surpassing the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Arizona Cardinals before last season.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Toad King

I don't think Scott Pioli knew shit about Todd Haley, and that's why he fired him in the end.

It wasn't some inspired hire. It was just Scott being Scott and deferring to the Patriot Way.

GTFO

Haley was Parcells prodige at NY and Dallas.

Parcells is SPs FIL.

He knew everything about him.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Lavar arrington 2

Massive talent. Could cover receivers and blow up plays, but he also missed lots of tackles and was totally undisciplined in run defense. He was also very soft at the point of attack and totally disappeared for games at a time.

He was on his way out of the league on the same road as Arrington.

Big whiffa, no batta.

Now, he is one of the best defensive players in the league.

The actual catalyst was Pioli.

If you guys want to tear him down for his faults, at least be fair and credit him with what he has done well.

lavar arrington is no longer in the nfl due to injuries, nothing to do with his play. he WAS a bit of a freelancer, but not to the point that he was run out of the league.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You're wrong and don't understand the term.

Being that Pioli hired Haley knowing full well about his motivational techniques, the catalyst was Pioli.

You are taking stupidity to a new level.

Tamba Hali has excelled in the 4-3. Pioli brought the 4-3 to KC. That doesn't mean Pioli gets credit for Hali's success. It's not like Pioli hand picked a defensive scheme to maximize Tamba Hali. He picked a defense that he wanted regardless of who was on the team (see Glenn Dorsey). It just hapens that it was a better fit for Hali.

Same goes for DJ. His rise isn't the payoff of some master plan. Todd Haley didn't get a HC job because Pioli thought he'd get the most out of Derrick Johnson. To suggest as much requires a mind bottling suspension of common sense.

The statement was that most of our talent was already here before Pioli. That is fact without question.

Pioli has drafted Berry, a bunch of guys that we believe have potential, and a 2 first round dlineman in an attempt to justify his choice in defensive schemes. That's a lot more maybes than anything else, with one sure thing mixed in.

And right now his legacy in KC is a shitty w/l record with a bunch of promising young players obtained through a rebuilding process that Herm and Peterson did the dirty work for.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by jspchief

And right now his legacy in KC is a shitty w/l record with a bunch of promising young players obtained through a rebuilding process that Herm and Peterson did the dirty work for.

Clapping gif. Everyone knows the one.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

You are taking stupidity to a new level.

Tamba Hali has excelled in the 4-3. Pioli brought the 4-3 to KC. That doesn't mean Pioli gets credit for Hali's success. It's not like Pioli hand picked a defensive scheme to maximize Tamba Hali. He picked a defense that he wanted regardless of who was on the team (see Glenn Dorsey). It just hapens that it was a better fit for Hali.

Same goes for DJ. His rise isn't the payoff of some master plan. Todd Haley didn't get a HC job because Pioli thought he'd get the most out of Derrick Johnson. To suggest as much requires a mind bottling suspension of common sense.

The statement was that most of our talent was already here before Pioli. That is fact without question.

Pioli has drafted Berry, a bunch of guys that we believe have potential, and a 2 first round dlineman in an attempt to justify his choice in defensive schemes. That's a lot more maybes than anything else, with one sure thing mixed in.

And right now his legacy in KC is a shitty w/l record with a bunch of promising young players obtained through a rebuilding process that Herm and Peterson did the dirty work for.

Flowers
Carr
DJ
Hali
Dorsey
Charles
Bowe
Albert

Jackson
Berry
Houston
Baldwin
Arenas
Moeaki
Bailey
Belcher
Lewis
Breaston
Asamoah
Winston
Boss
Hillis
Hudson

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Flowers
Carr
DJ
Hali
Dorsey
Charles
Bowe
Albert

Jackson
Berry
Houston
Baldwin
Arenas
Moeaki
Bailey
Belcher
Lewis
Breaston
Asamoah
Winston
Boss
Hillis
Hudson

Bailey, Hudson, and Baldwin have done jack shit. By what measurable standard can you say they are anything other than "yet to be determined". Same can be said for Boss, Winston, and Hillis regarding their time in KC. Moeaki and Houston are small sample size to be spoken of in the same breath as guys like Charles, Bowe, and Hali. Belcher, Arenas, and Jackson are middle of the road players who may not see a 2nd contract from KC.

I guess we can argue over what constitutes "talent" in the context of the conversation. To me, outside of Berry and perhaps Breaston, the stars of this team were already in place. Everyone else you listed is a combination of JAGs and maybes.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Lavar arrington 2

Massive talent. Could cover receivers and blow up plays, but he also missed lots of tackles and was totally undisciplined in run defense. He was also very soft at the point of attack and totally disappeared for games at a time.

He was on his way out of the league on the same road as Arrington.

Big whiffa, no batta.

Now, he is one of the best defensive players in the league.

The actual catalyst was Pioli.

If you guys want to tear him down for his faults, at least be fair and credit him with what he has done well.

Except that Arrington was Pro Bowl/All Pro his first three years in the league. It took DJ seven years. So actually they are not the same. One had success out of the gate and the other is finally reaching potential on the backend of his career. Their "on their way out of the league stories" are not the same at all based on their talent level of play.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Toad King

One of the biggest urban myths out there.

I love your selective memory. DJ was probably the most disappointing draft pick on the team at the time Pioli took over.

He was a train wreck that showed flashes at times. I thought for sure he was going to wash out and be done.

DJ even admitted later that he hadn't been very focused and had some off field issues effecting him. He was looking like a bust.

The urban myth is that because you make videos and post 1,000 times a day it means you have a clue about what you are talking about.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I love your selective memory. DJ was probably the most disappointing draft pick on the team at the time Pioli took over.

He was a train wreck that showed flashes at times. I thought for sure he was going to wash out and be done.

DJ even admitted later that he hadn't been very focused and had some off field issues effecting him. He was looking like a bust.

The urban myth is that because you make videos and post 1,000 times a day it means you have a clue about what you are talking about.

Boom goes the Dynamite...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Toad King

One of the biggest urban myths out there.

Didn't people want him traded for a 3rd rounder?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I love your selective memory. DJ was probably the most disappointing draft pick on the team at the time Pioli took over.

And yet he was a decent starting NFL linebacker any way you slice it.

The idea that he was a total bust is not true.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by PGM

Didn't people want him traded for a 3rd rounder?

Yes, because at the time Haley had him playing 2nd and 3rd string, and the thinking was "if he isn't going to get on the field, get something for him."

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Bailey, Hudson, and Baldwin have done jack shit. By what measurable standard can you say they are anything other than "yet to be determined". Same can be said for Boss, Winston, and Hillis regarding their time in KC. Moeaki and Houston are small sample size to be spoken of in the same breath as guys like Charles, Bowe, and Hali. Belcher, Arenas, and Jackson are middle of the road players who may not see a 2nd contract from KC.

I guess we can argue over what constitutes "talent" in the context of the conversation. To me, outside of Berry and perhaps Breaston, the stars of this team were already in place. Everyone else you listed is a combination of JAGs and maybes.

Most of the inherited guys hadn't done shit, either, when Pioli took over.

What's your point?

Dorsey, Albert and Bowe were massively overweight...that's a clear sign of laziness.

DJ was a borderline starter.

Hali was topped out as an average pass rusher that was a rag doll in run support.

The corners were talented, but needed coaching to get where they are today.

Charles flashed elite talent late 2008 as a rookie, but he was injury prone, small and fumbled a lot.

Some of you have very select memories about how poor that 2008 team was.

IMO the only guys that were directed stars when Pioli took over were

Bowe
Flowers

Everyone else needed a major overhaul to get where they are now.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Yes, because at the time Haley had him playing 2nd and 3rd string, and the thinking was "if he isn't going to get on the field, get something for him."

Some of you have serious memory issues.

People wanted DJ gone after 2008.

He was in the same conversations as Pollard.

[Hammock Parties]

And you can't say those guys wouldn't have improved under another coaching staff.

The Patriot Way is not the ****ing midas touch.