If you could virtually eliminate drunk driving, would you do it?

[Fat Elvis]

Would you support mandatory ignition interlock systems on all cars?

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You've got to be ****ing kidding me with this argument.

You're the one who drew a parallel between helmet laws and anti-drunk driving laws that doesn't exist.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by BCD

Jesus. Could you have come up with something more obscure?

Yes I could. Is that what you want me to do?


There has to be a better way.


PhilFree

[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

No shit. Why do we waste millions, nay billions a year on police protection?? THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING!!! STOP!!!!!

DC in 5..4..3..2..1..


But besides that..

Police is a different issue. They are there to protect our constitutional rights to life liberty and the persuit of happiness, by others who would assume power over us and take those rights away from us. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Lets not be rediculous.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by BCD

Jesus. Could you have come up with something more obscure?

Dude loves his booze.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by philfree

Yes I could. Is that what you want me to do?


There has to be a better way.


PhilFree

How about something less obscure. I'm interested to know if you think a significant enough contingent of people would need to drive while intoxicated to save lives that it would come close to offsetting the lives saved by the approach he suggests.


For the record I'm not in favor of the OP's proposal, but not because I think it would endanger lives.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

Its time we all wake up and understand the government cannot, now nor it ever could, regulate or mandate a safer society. Or a healthy society. Or a moral society. This false thinking needs to stop. NOW.

What I mean, if you read my three posts here is that people who are drunk and have to drive will find a way. A friend. A pump. A CO2 cartridge device. They will find a way.

In the mean time, the rest of us will pay higher taxes to regulate this failure. We will pay huge costs in legal cases against the govt. We will be forced to be treated like the bad guys and blow into the straw to start the car, when the drunks would never do that. They would know better.

We would pay and suffer, and the bad guys would not be affected.

"Government can not solve our problems. Government is our problem"

Ronald Reagan.

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation

Ignition interlock systems are pretty tamper proof nowadays.

http://www.drivinglaws.org/legal-adv...ck-device-work

Many require positive driver identification. That would result in fewer stolen vehicles as well....

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

DC in 5..4..3..2..1..


But besides that..

Police is a different issue. They are there to protect our constitutional rights to life liberty and the persuit of happiness, by others who would assume power over us and take those rights away from us. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Lets not be rediculous.

Obviously I was exaggerating, but my point was we have government agencies taking away our rights everyday. Some of it is acceptable, some not. Saying you can't legislate safety, though, makes no sense to me.

I'm with you on the legislating morality thing. (And NOW we can go to DC)

[Demonpenz]

I would kill someone. I just got remote starter for the winter

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

You're the one who drew a parallel between helmet laws and anti-drunk driving laws that doesn't exist.

That's not the parallel I drew. I noted a similar discussion took place about those laws. I didn't equate them.

[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation

Ignition interlock systems are pretty tamper proof nowadays.

http://www.drivinglaws.org/legal-adv...ck-device-work

Many require positive driver identification. That would result in fewer stolen vehicles as well....

Yes really.

Are machine guns, RPG's, mines, mortars and grenades legally available to felons? Been to the streets of Detroit lately?

The bad guys find a way. There would be a black market business in breath equipment for drunks in the billions. Wake up!!!!!

When are people going to finally understand that any Federal mandate or regulation will almost always backfire?

And why are people lately so free to abandon their assumption of innocence, a constitutional right, to the government, for a little false security?

WAKE UP PEOPLE! YOU ARE BEING CO-OPTED BY THE NANNY STATE!!!!!


edit: our whole way of life is based on self government, self responsibility, and self reliance. That IS our Constitution. Stop trying to make us something we never were or wanted to be.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That's not the parallel I drew. I noted a similar discussion took place about those laws. I didn't equate them.

Then I'm confused about what part of his post you took issue with. He seemed to be pointing out the two weren't equal because one puts others at risk as opposed to just yourself. If you agree why does he have to be kidding you? Because what he said is too obvious?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Then I'm confused about what part of his post you took issue with. He seemed to be pointing out the two weren't equal because one puts others at risk as opposed to just yourself. If you agree why does he have to be kidding you? Because what he said is too obvious?

No, his argument was lousy on several levels. Only one of those was the attempt to distance the particular laws from one another when I'd made no attempt at an equation.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

Yes really.

Are machine guns, RPG's, mines, mortars and grenades legally available to felons? Been to the streets of Detroit lately?

The bad guys find a way. There would be a black market business in breath equipment for drunks in the billions. Wake up!!!!!

When are people going to finally understand that any Federal mandate or regulation will almost always backfire?

And why are people lately so free to abandon their assumption of innocence, a constitutional right, to the government, for a little false security?

WAKE UP PEOPLE! YOU ARE BEING CO-OPTED BY THE NANNY STATE!!!!!


edit: our whole way of life is based on self government, self responsibility, and self reliance. That IS our Constitution. Stop trying to make us something we never were or wanted to be.

Gun control is a worthless analogy. Do you really think most people would premeditate their drunk driving to a point that they would go to the same lengths it takes to obtain an illegal firearm? Drunk driving is typically a crime of negligence and poor judgement, not malice.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, his argument was lousy on several levels. Only one of those was the attempt to distance the particular laws from one another when I'd made no attempt at an equation.

Ok. So you took time to mock an argument that you agreed with in principle, but felt was poorly made. That's kinda weird.

[shirtsleeve]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Gun control is a worthless analogy. Do you really think most people would premeditate their drunk driving to a point that they would go to the same lengths it takes to obtain an illegal firearm? Drunk driving is typically a crime of negligence and poor judgement, not malice.

Ask anyone who goes out on a Friday night. Give them a breath device to pass the test, and they will buy it, go out, party and not care.

Again you are all missing the point. You are driving home from work, do you want to be violated like that because someone on a Friday night found a way to beat it? AND!!! They will find a way to beat it.

Think about Franklins statement.

Why are you all so eagar to let the government in like that?

PLEASE!!

Read the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the federalist papers. Understand what principals our country was founded under. Then thoughts like this would be as foreign to you as they are to me. Its not what this country is founded under.